Hopkins and TRT

[Weebler I]

I guess it really depends on Hopkins's testosterone levels. It should definitely be more tightly regulated that's for sure.

[Clegg]

If it's allowed, how is it cheating?

To cheat is breaking the rules. If you don't break the rules you're per definition not cheating.

Fair enough, but for me I don't think it should be allowed. Boxing is a corrupt sport and to me the drugs are part of the corruption, even the cases where the commissions allow their use.

If Hopkins is on TRT and has been on it for years then there should be an asterik next to his record and they should give the actual credit to Foreman. Giving a guy credit for achieving things while old, even though he's doing it while on drugs that reverse the affects of being old...to me that's just a sham. As I say though, I don't think Hopkins is on TRT. That would have to be approved by the commissions and you would think his opponents would have to be notified and I think something would've leaked out by now.

[New England]

Yeah almost without a doubt Overeems body is built using steroids.

With that said, head traumas could cause a lowered testosterone production levels.
A guy like Toney probably have both punches to his head as well as steroids to blame for his need for TRT.

there's also that whole "age thing" rofl.

your nuts stop producing test at their peak levels when you hit your 30's, and it only goes down from there.

our boxers are going into their 40's now, and hopkins is nearing fifty.

there's somethign going on here. juan manuel marquez looked like the f#cking hulk for the first time after hooking up with a known steroid guru. at 40 years old...

[hayZ]

And Sonnen and Hendo get to use TRT. I don't even know what's up with Marquardt's exemption status. I think Mir is on that **** too.

Gotta love MMA

Marquardt got caught abusing it, he stopped using it saying it was not worth the hassle which proves to me that he didn't really need it in the first place because it is technically legal and if you a legit excuse and have used it before why not use it but do it legit.

Hendo has in his 40's and has taken a lot of punishment, he started taking it in his late 30's as well so I can understand why he takes it.

Sonnen apparently has a LEGIT reason for taking it (hypogonadism) but got suspended because they believe he didn't adequately disclose it.

Mir started taking it pretty recently and I don't even think he probably needs it but its like a loophole so to stay competitive, legally he went for it.

Personally I believe whoever is low on testosterone and takes TRT, should under-go random testing and if they don't under-go that then they should not be allowed to use it because it is easy to abuse it during your camp, get the gains and then ensure that you go down to 'acceptable' levels closer to fight night. The average males testosterone is to a 1:1 ratio and these athletic commissions allow it to be a 6:1 ratio. Overeem had his at 14:1 when he got caught, Royce Gracie had his at 25:1 apparently when he rematched Sakuraba,

[Barry Halls]

there's also that whole "age thing" rofl.

your nuts stop producing test at their peak levels when you hit your 30's, and it only goes down from there.

our boxers are going into their 40's now, and hopkins is nearing fifty.

there's somethign going on here. juan manuel marquez looked like the f#cking hulk for the first time after hooking up with a known steroid guru. at 40 years old...

That goes without saying and i addressed it in a previous post.

I don't think you can compete at this stage at 48y old without some TRT or similar.

[piojo del norte]

Skills is what Hopkins has. It doesn't matter how strong and young Cloud is, if he has the wrong game plan and can't land what he wants he can't win. Hopkins has the skills to dominate any come forward brawler and that is what he did.

Chico guapo campillo laid out the blue print, Hopkins saw the opportunity and took it.

[gmc_rfc_06]

I don't thinik he is.

He made a statement after the fight about not needing drugs, I believe he was trying to make it clear that he does what he does through hard work only. I believe him.

[No1]

And Sonnen and Hendo get to use TRT. I don't even know what's up with Marquardt's exemption status. I think Mir is on that **** too.

Gotta love MMA

I think it's a joke fighters are allowed to use TRT. It's a natty occurance that test lowers in age. This gives guys who have lots of ring/cage experience plus TRT a huge advantage over younger fighters. I hope it's outlawed as it makes such an ineven playing field.

I personally dont think Hopkins is on TRT, all through his life he has been a fitness freak, never drinking, eating crap etc. Also his style of fighting (Gritty, SLow paced, Not explosive, great defence) lends itself for a long career. I picture Ward having a similar career and fighting much longer than other guys/

[ИATAS]

there's also that whole "age thing" rofl.

your nuts stop producing test at their peak levels when you hit your 30's, and it only goes down from there.

our boxers are going into their 40's now, and hopkins is nearing fifty.

there's somethign going on here. juan manuel marquez looked like the f#cking hulk for the first time after hooking up with a known steroid guru. at 40 years old...

what does marquez looking like hulk have to do with hopkins? Look at the weigh in pictures from friday, read the comments. "Hopkins is a Zombie!" "Damn, father time has caught up with B-hop". "Hopkins looks drained". "He looks old as fck!".

Meanwhile Marquez literally did look like a Mexican hulk.

Totally different.

Anyways, as far as TRT, as pointed out it's totally legit for some people. The tricky part is to know what your testosterone levels should be naturally and use the replacement therapy to reproduce those levels so it's not abused. Say you should be at 1:1, then that's what you should have. Not like Peterson keeping it under the su****ious cut off of 4:1 (he maintained his levels at 3.77:1). This of course isn't to say Hopkins is on TRT. Archie Moore at 48 was beating decent fighters, don't forget.

But still, these threads are unnecessary at the time (right after a hopkins historic win). We all saw what Hopkins did. He used ring IQ to beat Cloud. Not power, or speed or crazy athletic abilities. Just subtle little things in the ring that confused Cloud and allowed Hopkins to control the fight (i.e ring generalship). Hopkins hasn't had a KO in what, 10 years? He's been fighting on ring smarts alone for the past few years now.

[Dr Rumack]

Would be very surprised if Hopkins wasn't using it. Anything that helps you recover faster at that age, that you don't have to worry about as far as testing goes, is going to be very hard to ignore.

Lots of guys start doping as they get older for that very reason, their joints are wrecked after 15-20 years of training for elite level competition, and there are drugs that can make that pain and stiffness go away. If you're not going to get caught it's entirely understandable that guys would use them. In fact, it would be pretty strange if none of them did.