Hopkins and TRT

[New England]

what does marquez looking like hulk have to do with hopkins? Look at the weigh in pictures from friday, read the comments. "Hopkins is a Zombie!" "Damn, father time has caught up with B-hop". "Hopkins looks drained". "He looks old as fck!".

Meanwhile Marquez literally did look like a Mexican hulk.

Totally different.

Anyways, as far as TRT, as pointed out it's totally legit for some people. The tricky part is to know what your testosterone levels should be naturally and use the replacement therapy to reproduce those levels so it's not abused. Say you should be at 1:1, then that's what you should have. Not like Peterson keeping it under the su****ious cut off of 4:1 (he maintained his levels at 3.77:1). This of course isn't to say Hopkins is on TRT. Archie Moore at 48 was beating decent fighters, don't forget.

But still, these threads are unnecessary at the time (right after a hopkins historic win). We all saw what Hopkins did. He used ring IQ to beat Cloud. Not power, or speed or crazy athletic abilities. Just subtle little things in the ring that confused Cloud and allowed Hopkins to control the fight (i.e ring generalship). Hopkins hasn't had a KO in what, 10 years? He's been fighting on ring smarts alone for the past few years now.

it's a man whose body is aging unnaturally. marquez is putting on tons of muscle in a short period of time in his late 30's, and hopkins is training like a man in his prime when most people [not pro boxers, but regular people,] are starting to think about retirement in the next 5-10 years.

PED's don't all turn you into the hulk. i've gone over this plenty of times. if hopkins is juicing it would be for the benefits that the drugs offer his 48 year old body over the course of a training camp. he's not using them for the production of muscle or to become stronger, though that would almost certainly be a byproduct of the sort of cycle he'd be taking. marquez was a career FW who ended up at LW in his old age, and moved to WW for the money. he wanted to put on weight. they're still both looking to do things that you can easily facilitate with the right drugs, which is essentially creating chemistry in the body similar to a younger man. the muscles and soft tissues recover like a younger man's.


what remains similar between the two is the aging process that appears to be quite unnatural. marquez is overhauling his physique in a ludicrously short window for a tiny middle aged man. and hopkins is getting through a hard training camp with road work, sparring, press tours, etc at 48. both fighters can easily be enhanced to perform better in those respects.

[Dr Rumack]

I don't thinik he is.

He made a statement after the fight about not needing drugs, I believe he was trying to make it clear that he does what he does through hard work only. I believe him.

"The cynics, and the skeptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. This is one hell of a race...and hard work wins it."

[Dr Rumack]

what remains similar between the two is the aging process that appears to be quite unnatural. marquez is overhauling his physique in a ludicrously short window for a tiny middle aged man. and hopkins is getting through a hard training camp with road work, sparring, press tours, etc at 48. both fighters can easily be enhanced to perform better in those respects.

I feel sorry for you, New England, I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

[New England]

I feel sorry for you, New England, I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

are you a real doc, or do you just play one on bscene?

[ИATAS]

it's a man whose body is aging unnaturally. marquez is putting on tons of muscle in a short period of time in his late 30's, and hopkins is training like a man in his prime when most people [not pro boxers, but regular people,] are starting to think about retirement in the next 5-10 years.

PED's don't all turn you into the hulk. i've gone over this plenty of times. if hopkins is juicing it would be for the benefits that the drugs offer his 48 year old body over the course of a training camp. he's not using them for the production of muscle or to become stronger, though that would almost certainly be a byproduct of the sort of cycle he'd be taking. marquez was a career FW who ended up at LW in his old age, and moved to WW for the money. he wanted to put on weight. they're still both looking to do things that you can easily facilitate with the right drugs, which is essentially creating chemistry in the body similar to a younger man. the muscles and soft tissues recover like a younger man's.


what remains similar between the two is the aging process that appears to be quite unnatural. marquez is overhauling his physique in a ludicrously short window for a tiny middle aged man. and hopkins is getting through a hard training camp with road work, sparring, press tours, etc at 48. both fighters can easily be enhanced to perform better in those respects.

How can you say it's unnatural for Hopkins do go through training camp at 48? Did archie moore not go through training camps at the same age? Also how can you say Hopkins is training like he's in his prime? All the training video's I've seen of Hopkins for Cloud he's doing "light" work, nothing crazy just working the pads, etc. (and it's usually at a pretty slow pace tbh).

[gmc_rfc_06]

"The cynics, and the skeptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. This is one hell of a race...and hard work wins it."

And?

At no point in time did I believe Lance Armstrong was clean, he always came across defensive and hostile when asked about it. Hopkins? I very much believe him. He's one of the few guys in this sport that I believe wins or loses based purely on ability.

[ИATAS]

And?

At no point in time did I believe Lance Armstrong was clean, he always came across defensive and hostile when asked about it. Hopkins? I very much believe him. He's one of the few guys in this sport that I believe wins or loses based purely on ability.

"They don't want to let me (show) a whole lot of fat people in America they can live longer if they just take some of my prescription (for life) — and not the one from their doctor,'' he says. "I'm the one to tell kids, 'You can be the best and do it by the book.'

"But when a guy's clean and living right, he's boring to (the news media). I ain't walking around with a $200,000 money belt. I ain't makin' it rain with a whole bunch of girls who are naked. (They say), 'Bernard, you're not the guy bringing drama. You stayed out of jail.'"

Hopkins was 46 when he won a unanimous decision against Haitian-born Canadian Jean Pascal in May 2011, breaking the mark of Foreman, who was 45 when he knocked out Michael Moorer with one well-timed punch.

"(People) are shocked because (they say), 'How are you doing this, man?' '' Hopkins says. "We know how Lance Armstrong did it. But you've got somebody who is clean, man. Winning makes it even better.''

[Dr Rumack]

And?

Speeches and public statements count for nothing. If Hopkins wants to make a point about 'doing it clean' then there are obvious ways for him to do it.

[hectari]

Has anyone ever asked Hopkins whether he takes TRT or not? In MMA you have fighters in their 30's taking advantage of Testosterone Replacement Therapy (a lot of them unfairly) but Hopkins is 48. I heard that even if he is taking it, the athletic commissions can choose not to disclose it if the fighter does not want it going public.

Not taking anything away from Bernard, I'm not a fan of his style of fighting but he is doing amazing things at 48. Taking out fighters nearly half his age and in THEIR athletic prime.

The commission has a privacy clause and can never release who takes TRT unless that person tests above the allowed limit I believe.

Its interesting because Keith Kizer said that there is a few boxers who are on TRT and have an Testosterone use exemption, but he can't give names, apparently they are well known.

[hectari]

Hendo is 42 and have taken a lot more damage than Hopkins.

Sonnen, Marquardt and Mir is probably bull****.

Sonnen was on his Twitter and he knows a lot about steroids, and TRT he takes them lol, he also advises the Nevada commission, he was saying Marquez was on steroids basically saying how did this guy have a second puberty? He also said people are crying but you are talking to a guy (sonnen) who knows when someone is on something or not.

I think TRT is BS, I don't care if you are older, if you can't compete naturally on a high level anymore you know what they say its time to retire. Fair is fair, no need in prolonging your career unnaturally, look at Big George Foreman slow and overweight and was able to recapture the title without trt.