Hopkins and TRT

[2todabody]

All that TRT stuff is because they abused steroids in the past
And messed up their natural production process (supposedly)
The TS is missing the big picture of how B-Hop is beating these guys;
He is beating them with years of boxing IQ, not much wasted motion,
And when was the last time you ever seen him take a lot of punishment.
Besides if you workout your body creates testosterone well into later years,
And this guy is an "elite athlete"

[elfag]

the majority of top guys probably use

hopkins has probably been on something since his late 30s but who knows


also WTF is this about JMM "having a second puberty" I think hes BEEN using not just started and he is like a few pounds less fat than his previous fight, really that is it, a few pounds difference and people make a huge deal out of it. It is not a second ****ing puberty that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

[hectari]

"They don't want to let me (show) a whole lot of fat people in America they can live longer if they just take some of my prescription (for life) — and not the one from their doctor,'' he says. "I'm the one to tell kids, 'You can be the best and do it by the book.'

"But when a guy's clean and living right, he's boring to (the news media). I ain't walking around with a $200,000 money belt. I ain't makin' it rain with a whole bunch of girls who are naked. (They say), 'Bernard, you're not the guy bringing drama. You stayed out of jail.'"

Hopkins was 46 when he won a unanimous decision against Haitian-born Canadian Jean Pascal in May 2011, breaking the mark of Foreman, who was 45 when he knocked out Michael Moorer with one well-timed punch.

"(People) are shocked because (they say), 'How are you doing this, man?' '' Hopkins says. "We know how Lance Armstrong did it. But you've got somebody who is clean, man. Winning makes it even better.''

I believe Hopkins is clean, his body hasn't made a transformation like Juan Manuel Marquez, and its more so his opposition that makes him look good, than him being on something, he still picks his shots well and knows how to pace himself.

Marquez on the other hand is highly suspect, the guy would do anything to beat Pacman and not get robbed and I think he probably felt Pac was on the juice so he wanted to be on it too and found Memo. Plus his bulging trap muscles is a huge sign, look at Vitor Belfort he was off the juice for a while at 185 and his body looked like crap, than he got a TRT exemption and all of a sudden his muscles got fuller and were bulging and he looked like the old Vitor.

Maybe Marquez could have been on TRT and is one of the well known boxers Kizer said has an exemption in Las Vegas. If I were Nevada I would get rid of that TRT crap, its basically a legit way to cheat all you have to do is roid up and taper off like cheaters normally do to cheat tests and your test levels will not break the allowed limit

[ИATAS]

Sonnen was on his Twitter and he knows a lot about steroids, and TRT he takes them lol, he also advises the Nevada commission, he was saying Marquez was on steroids basically saying how did this guy have a second puberty? He also said people are crying but you are talking to a guy (sonnen) who knows when someone is on something or not.

I think TRT is BS, I don't care if you are older, if you can't compete naturally on a high level anymore you know what they say its time to retire. Fair is fair, no need in prolonging your career unnaturally, look at Big George Foreman slow and overweight and was able to recapture the title without trt.

Where do you draw the line as to what's natural? Drinking protein shakes, having modern medicine and suppliments wasn't available to fighters a hundred years ago. Is it natural? Your doctor tells you your low in iron, you take iron to boost the levels back up. I don't see how TRT is much different (when not abused, obviously ). I fully understand that TRT is being abused though so don't get me wrong, but there are legit reasons to take it. You're average Joe Blow who isn't an athlete may need TRT.

[New England]

How can you say it's unnatural for Hopkins do go through training camp at 48? Did archie moore not go through training camps at the same age? Also how can you say Hopkins is training like he's in his prime? All the training video's I've seen of Hopkins for Cloud he's doing "light" work, nothing crazy just working the pads, etc. (and it's usually at a pretty slow pace tbh).

i don't believe i ever said that hopkins would be training the way he would in his prime. if i did it was unintentional, and it wouldn't paint a realistic picture of his workload. that's not what believe is happening.

moore wouldn't be going through a "training camp" in the late 50's and early 60's. they fought a lot more, and didn't have many months to plan for the date of a fight with the luxury of not having other fights in between. you might have a championship fight scheduled, but until tat fight comes you are going to be int he ring many times a year. you basically stayed in shape and close to your fighting weight, and got ready when you got a phone call to fight in a few weeks. a championship fight might be many weeks / months out, but you'd almost certainly have to fight in the interim (to make money.)

[hectari]

the majority of top guys probably use

hopkins has probably been on something since his late 30s but who knows


also WTF is this about JMM "having a second puberty" I think hes BEEN using not just started and he is like a few pounds less fat than his previous fight, really that is it, a few pounds difference and people make a huge deal out of it. It is not a second ****ing puberty that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Sighs, I am a huge Marquez fan but I ain't going to put wool over my eyes I call it how I see it.

He was a few pounds of FAT less, seriously anyone can tell his body looked different. Being ripped and muscular does;t mean you are a smaller. Pacman has always been muscular and shredded, JMM has never been that way and he is 39 or so when your test levels drop.

Memo bulked him up in the 3rd fight so JMM lost a bit of speed he was like 150 something pounds on fight night the most he ever weighed but nobody said it was suspect, he weighed 143 pounds bloated and soaking wet against Floyd and this is why people thought Pac would destroy Marquez in the third fight until Marquez hired memo, and the 4th fight his body was rock solid and looked unnatural reminded me of Fernando Vargas body before he fought Oscar.

[hectari]

Where do you draw the line as to what's natural? Drinking protein shakes, having modern medicine and suppliments wasn't available to fighters a hundred years ago. Is it natural? Your doctor tells you your low in iron, you take iron to boost the levels back up. I don't see how TRT is much different (when not abused, obviously ). I fully understand that TRT is being abused though so don't get me wrong, but there are legit reasons to take it. You're average Joe Blow who isn't an athlete may need TRT.

I made a thread on this a while back, This is what I think

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582026

[ИATAS]

I made a thread on this a while back, This is what I think

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=582026

It would be impossible to ban supplements though. Testing can't determine if you're taking total normal supplements.

If I'm low in Iron and take Iron supplements, testing couldn't determine if I'm taking iron supplements versus eating a lot of spinach.

[Dr Rumack]

It would be impossible to ban supplements though. Testing can't determine if you're taking total normal supplements.

If I'm low in Iron and take Iron supplements, testing couldn't determine if I'm taking iron supplements versus eating a lot of spinach.

You sure about that? There might be some chemical characteristics of store bought iron supplements that differentiate it from other sources.

In any case, it's the impact on the body that matters from a competitive point of view. Iron supplements are great but I guess they won't measure up to anabolic steroids when it comes down to it.

[ИATAS]

You sure about that? There might be some chemical characteristics of store bought iron supplements that differentiate it from other sources.

In any case, it's the impact on the body that matters from a competitive point of view. Iron supplements are great but I guess they won't measure up to anabolic steroids when it comes down to it.

yeah testing isn't that super advanced. But even if it was, why would it matter if a person is taking iron supplements? That would be at the point of craziness and severe paranoia. If a person eats Flintstones vitamins, which contains Iron, etc., that would be wrong? lol that's crazy.