Has Sergio Martinez beatin any class A fighters?

[Hougigo]

Pavlik was a very good win obviously, although he had no soul since Hopkins devoured it.

He extracted it.
The executioner steals your souls... it keeps him young and fresh

[Bee Keepz]

We need to get the Froch v Martinez bandwagon on the road

Man this would be one hell of a fight.

[Jloro]

He extracted it.
The executioner steals your souls... it keeps him young and fresh

hahahaha that's his secret..

[FeFist]

Paul Williams A- and Kelly Pavlik B+ [MW Ring champ].

Paul Williams is not an A- fighter. A- would be the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the boxing world. Sensational fighters who are a notch beneath ATGs such as Ali, Duran and Hagler.

Pavlik isn't B class either, fighters like De La Hoya and Mosley fall into that category.

Paul Williams is a C class fighter who should be grouped with fighters like Miguel Cotto and Vargas. Fighters who had a good run and achieved more than the above average fighter.

Pavlik is a D class fighter, amongst the likes of Zab Judah and Jermain Taylor.

I've always felt that people were too generous in the way that they rate fighters. It belittles the accomplishment of the sports actual greats.

[big_james10]

His signature wins are vs Williams @ middleweight catchweight
(he also lost to Williams). Who's a glorified slugger with absolutely NO defense
(if I'm not mistaken Williams only had 2-3 fights at that weight, he was a blown up welter)

And vs Chavez who's also a glorified slugger with no defense and slow as hell and was nearly ktfo? This is after Chavez smoked weed all camp

Those are his 2 best wins of his career and he is somehow top 3? Wtf?

He beat some European bums, he should get no credit for that..


NO CLASS A FIGHTERS...

Some people have him above Ward, who has beat at least 3 world class fighters in Dawson, Froch and Kessler all by wide margins

You have a good point and I agree. However, he will remain an A-class fighter in the eyes of most of the people on this message board until Mayweather fights him and beats him. Then he will suddenly become an average fighter who never really beat anyone significant. In other words, they will say the same things about him that they will say about Alvarez after Mayweather scorches his a.ss -- that is if Trout doesn't do it first.

[Jloro]

Paul Williams is not an A- fighter. A- would be the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the boxing world. Sensational fighters who are a notch beneath ATGs such as Ali, Duran and Hagler.

Pavlik isn't B class either, fighters like De La Hoya and Mosley fall into that category.

Paul Williams is a C class fighter who should be grouped with fighters like Miguel Cotto and Vargas. Fighters who had a good run and achieved more than the above average fighter.

Pavlik is a D class fighter, amongst the likes of Zab Judah and Jermain Taylor.

I've always felt that people were too generous in the way that they rate fighters. It belittles the accomplishment of the sports actual greats.

jesus christ those are harsh ratings lol. So Every modern day fighter is completely insignificant. So that means like everyone of todays fighters are like d's and f's?

[Kagami Taiga]

Paul Williams is not an A- fighter. A- would be the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the boxing world. Sensational fighters who are a notch beneath ATGs such as Ali, Duran and Hagler.

Pavlik isn't B class either, fighters like De La Hoya and Mosley fall into that category.

Paul Williams is a C class fighter who should be grouped with fighters like Miguel Cotto and Vargas. Fighters who had a good run and achieved more than the above average fighter.

Pavlik is a D class fighter, amongst the likes of Zab Judah and Jermain Taylor.

I've always felt that people were too generous in the way that they rate fighters. It belittles the accomplishment of the sports actual greats.

nah ur off. floyd is definitely an A level fighter. no way u can compare him to fighters in another era when doing that. its quite hard to do. i think pac and jmm are below him at a- tho i think donaire is b+ at best and ward is a level as well.

[New England]

Pavlik was a very good win obviously, although he had no soul since Hopkins devoured it.

[Russian Crushin]

Paul Williams is not an A- fighter. A- would be the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the boxing world. Sensational fighters who are a notch beneath ATGs such as Ali, Duran and Hagler.

Pavlik isn't B class either, fighters like De La Hoya and Mosley fall into that category.

Paul Williams is a C class fighter who should be grouped with fighters like Miguel Cotto and Vargas. Fighters who had a good run and achieved more than the above average fighter.

Pavlik is a D class fighter, amongst the likes of Zab Judah and Jermain Taylor.

I've always felt that people were too generous in the way that they rate fighters. It belittles the accomplishment of the sports actual greats.

Whoa, your standerds are way too high

[S. Saddler 1310]

Paul Williams is not an A- fighter. A- would be the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the boxing world. Sensational fighters who are a notch beneath ATGs such as Ali, Duran and Hagler.

Pavlik isn't B class either, fighters like De La Hoya and Mosley fall into that category.

Paul Williams is a C class fighter who should be grouped with fighters like Miguel Cotto and Vargas. Fighters who had a good run and achieved more than the above average fighter.

Pavlik is a D class fighter, amongst the likes of Zab Judah and Jermain Taylor.

I've always felt that people were too generous in the way that they rate fighters. It belittles the accomplishment of the sports actual greats.

you're talking very much in terms of rating historical greatness, with much hindsight involved.

factors in rating active fighters are the ability they possess and the ability they've proven through their competition level and the way they've handled it.

the whole 'grading' thing isn't an exact science to begin with, too many nuances/variables involved, but if we're to do this:

Pavlik was once a B+/A- class fighter, but had diminished by the time he faced Martinez. Williams was a B/B+ fighter. Zab was a B/B+ fighter. Vargas was an A fighter in terms of ability (which was proven) but he didn't achieve greatness because fulfillment of his potential was not sustained (multitude of factors). DLH was no B fighter, he was a clear A fighter. Cotto was a B+/A- type fighter, too. Mayweather is an A/A+ fighter (arguably A+), as is Pacquiao. Martinez is a B+/A- guy.