Garcia represents the new gen.

[ThePunchingBag]

As a human being, I completely understand why he did it. As a fan, I would've liked to see him try and fight through the situation. I think Garcia was in control of the fight and could have still gotten the stoppage because the opportunity was there. His punches were having an affect on Salido and he had him stunned on numerous occasions. Could Salido have gotten dirtier? Could his nose injury have worsened with an elbow shot or another headbutt? Probably. It's not like I know how much pain he was in, so IDK what I would do. There's been fighters that have experienced injuries and kept going. I don't hate Garcia for taking the out when it presented itself, but I have a greater appreciation for the fighters who stay in there even when the opponent is not their only concern.

As a fan I just want to see the right guy win.

If Salido needed an illegal headbutt to win then he was not the right guy.

[ßringer]

Why would you fight dirty early on when you don't need to?

Because he was already well behind after the third round?

Surely that'd be the time to start roughing Garcia up and trying to make a comeback, no?

Late in that fight Orlando knew the only way he could win was by KO and got desperate.

Obviously his only way to win was by desperate KO. But that doesn't mean he'd just start fouling his ass off. He started rushing Garcia and, in my opinion, was starting to have success with it before Robert Garcia bullied the referee into stopping the fight that is.

In my opinion that headbutt looked intentional regardless what the referee said. A lot of other people thought the same.

Well in the opinion of the referee who was present and has almost 21 years of experience judging fighter's intentions - It was accidental.

That means a bit more to me than the opinions of some digruntled internet fans.

[PAC-BOY]

Can't tell you. You're too ******.

Not worth my time anymore.

hehehehe heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :AOR: youre right...you cant! Dont you ever step to me in a debate boy....ill spank your ass again!

[ßringer]

As a fan I just want to see the right guy win.

If Salido needed an illegal headbutt to win then he was not the right guy.

You're presuming.

How do you know Salido needed an illegal maneuver to win the fight? Garcia's chin hasn't been tested much and Salido is known for bringing the heat late in fights.

[deanrw]

it's a fight, things happen.


it's not just the sport that's going soft, apparently, but the fans as well. do you Mikey apologists watch any fights from further back than 5 years?

Yes things happen and Garcia was fouled. That foul caused an injury. That injury could easily cause a fighter to breath through his mouth. That open jaw could then easily get broken by a stray punch.

Where do you draw the line here? It was either Salido's bad judgement that caused it, or maybe it was an accident. It does not really matter. I am also very sure that Garcia would have risked it and kept fighting if the injury was caused by a punch.

Was the ending odd? Yes it was. To me though it was an act of desperation on Salido's part. He took a calculated risk in trying to unravel Garcia and it back fired on him. A broken nose on it's own may not be a big deal, but they can cascade into other issues 1,2,3 rounds down the line.

[ThePunchingBag]

Because he was already well behind after the third round?

Surely that'd be the time to start roughing Garcia up and trying to make a comeback, no?



Obviously his only way to win was by desperate KO. But that doesn't mean he'd just start fouling his ass off. He started rushing Garcia and, in my opinion, was starting to have success with it before Robert Garcia bullied the referee into stopping the fight that is.



Well in the opinion of the referee who was present and has almost 21 years of experience judging fighter's intentions - It was accidental.

That means a bit more to me than the opinions of some digruntled internet fans.

Third round wasn't early enough. He didn't start getting frustrated by Garcia's movement and his inability to reach Garcia until the 6th or 7th round.

After that you started seeing Salido coming in with his head and throwing elbows. You could hear Robert shouting from ringside that Salido was throwing illegal blows.

The ref did an ok job for 21 years of officiating. I thought the 3rd KD was a slip and shove like Orlando claimed it was. I've been watching Boxing too long to not realize that refs don't always make the right calls.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Henry Cooper fought in the wrong era. in these times, if he'd been cut by a butt while ahead on the cards in the 6th against Ali (let's face it, Ali, like many great fighters, knew how to be dirty), all he'd need to do is survive 'til the end of the round and then quit. hey presto, you've got a win over Ali on your resume. who needs this 'fighting' business?

[S. Saddler 1310]

i don't mean to come off cruel, sadistic or unfeeling, btw.

but there are some great and dearly departed champions (and contenders who were great but never got the shot that Garcia just received) who are turning in their graves tonight.

why should they have given it their all and set such rugged, professional examples so that a much touted talent like Mikey could cop out and take the easy route?

[deanrw]

Henry Cooper fought in the wrong era. in these times, if he'd been cut by a possibly intentional butt (let's face it, Ali, like many great fighters, knew how to be dirty) while ahead on the cards in the 6th against Ali, all he'd need to do is survive 'til the end of the round and then quit. hey presto, you've got a win over Ali on your resume. who needs this 'fighting' business?

The fight game has changed quite a bit from 45 years ago. knockdown rules, 12 round fight limits, cut stoppages etc we see now would have changed a lot of history if implemented back then

[S. Saddler 1310]

The fight game has changed quite a bit from 45 years ago. knockdown rules, 12 round fight limits, cut stoppages etc we see now would have changed a lot of history if implemented back then

well, as far as fight duration goes, fighters prepare strategically and make certain allowances for the number of rounds they're scheduled to fight. i'm not keen on the 'Hearns would've beaten Leonard if The Showdown had been a 12-rounder' stripe of logic.

in other facets, though, i agree. a lot of history would have been changed. but for the better? would boxing have been edified as a result? i suspect not.