Rigo Overrated Due To Donaire's.........

[dan_cov]

There you go, now you're trolling. I see it's something irrational about Donaire for you. I don't particularly like the guy either, but i'm not blind.

Aren't you a Guerrero fan? Seems inconsistent

I'm not trolling, I don't see what everybody else does in the guy and I don't think he is 'that' good for one minute. A classic case of careful matchmaking IMO and I think hes extremely overrated but that isn't to say I don't feel he is a good fighter just noway near elite like hes being made out to be.

Yeah I am a Guerrero fan and if you're getting at him fighting in the lower weights and having a size advantage, he was barely a kid and still growing. He was still filling out and had to bulk to reach the higher weight classes and took on guys naturally as big as him if not more so.

Donaire on the other hand, a fully grown man cutting down to face much smaller opposition and carefully selected opposition to make him look something he isn't for most part.

[HeroBando]

I'm not trolling, I don't see what everybody else does in the guy and I don't think he is 'that' good for one minute. A classic case of careful matchmaking IMO and I think hes extremely overrated but that isn't to say I don't feel he is a good fighter just noway near elite like hes being made out to be.

Yeah I am a Guerrero fan and if you're getting at him fighting in the lower weights and having a size advantage, he was barely a kid and still growing. He was still filling out and had to bulk to reach the higher weight classes and took on guys naturally as big as him if not more so.

Donaire on the other hand, a fully grown man cutting down to face much smaller opposition and carefully selected opposition to make him look something he isn't for most part.

Dude it can't be careful matchmaking when you admit nobody had a chance against him until his 4th division. Now you found 1 guy below 126 that'll expose this guy as a Jeff Lacy Jr?!

Yes for years Guerrero fought against relative midgets, but picked and pecked around the weakest titlists, often looking unimpressive. Donaire blew out everybody at 112, 115, had a good run at 118 and another good run at 122. His 122 run is better than any run Guerrero has had at any weight, so was 118 for that matter. Not in terms of beating the odds, but that's what comes with being p4p higher.

[dan_cov]

Dude it can't be careful matchmaking when you admit nobody had a chance against him until his 4th division. Now you found 1 guy below 126 that'll expose this guy as a Jeff Lacy Jr?!

Yes for years Guerrero fought against relative midgets, but picked and pecked around the weakest titlists, often looking unimpressive. Donaire blew out everybody at 112, 115, had a good run at 118 and another good run at 122. His 122 run is better than any run Guerrero has had at any weight, so was 118 for that matter. Not in terms of beating the odds, but that's what comes with being p4p higher.

He didn't so no such thing he beat a titlist and moved up several times, without facing others/the top guy.
His 122 run has been cherrypicks against massive underdogs with no chance in hell where as Guerrero moved up two divisions, 12lbs after an 18 month lay off and a career threatening injury and battered a top 10, undefeated power-puncher in Aydin then creamed Berto.

A 90yr old Arce, an Arce victim & Jeffrey ''hands of stone'' Mathebula.
His 122 run has been a fcuking joke and the only opponent he deserves any credit for is a washed up, 36yr old Nishioka who was coming off a year lay off & had looked garbage and shot in his last few performances.

His 118 run wasn't exactly spectacular either. Okay he beat Montiel, I will give him credit though Montiel was overhyped to fcuk and hasn't really beaten a world class fighter himself. He also beat a 36yr old, tiny, worn out Sydorenko who never really translated to the pros.

He hardly had a great run or cleared anything out. Not in my eyes anyway.

I give him marginal credit for Sydorenko, Montiel & Nishioka but they was hardly in their prime and 2/3 he had large size advantages over.
You need to realise these guys are just names, they was done.

[HeroBando]

He didn't so no such thing he beat a titlist and moved up several times, without facing others/the top guy.
His 122 run has been cherrypicks against massive underdogs with no chance in hell where as Guerrero moved up two divisions, 12lbs after an 18 month lay off and a career threatening injury and battered a top 10, undefeated power-puncher in Aydin then creamed Berto.

A 90yr old Arce, an Arce victim & Jeffrey ''hands of stone'' Mathebula.
His 122 run has been a fcuking joke and the only opponent he deserves any credit for is a washed up, 36yr old Nishioka who was coming off a year lay off & had looked garbage and shot in his last few performances.

His 118 run wasn't exactly spectacular either. Okay he beat Montiel, I will give him credit though Montiel was overhyped to fcuk and hasn't really beaten a world class fighter himself. He also beat a 36yr old, tiny, worn out Sydorenko who never really translated to the pros.

He hardly had a great run or cleared anything out. Not in my eyes anyway.

I give him marginal credit for Sydorenko, Montiel & Nishioka but they was hardly in their prime and 2/3 he had large size advantages over.
You need to realise these guys are just names, they was done.

All these guys were top 10 in the division, all world champs, something that'll never happen for power punching scrub Aydin. Berto was the poster child for hbo protected fighter before Canelo, and was coming off a ped suspension. Would you expect him to perform better than the roided version that never did anything and became Ortiz' only legit win?

[dan_cov]

All these guys were top 10 in the division, all world champs, something that'll never happen for power punching scrub Aydin. Berto was the poster child for hbo protected fighter before Canelo, and was coming off a ped suspension. Would you expect him to perform better than the roided version that never did anything and became Ortiz' only legit win?

Well tbh I am not entirely sure how Mathebula or Vasquez Jr was in the top 10 if indeed they was.
I'm sure Mosley was still a top 10 at the time Canelo fought him. Amazing what name recognition does.

Berto is a two time world champion who has destroyed many 'top 10' fighters (Urango, Zaveck, Hernandez to name a few) , hes certainly done a lot more than Mathebula, Vasquez Jr & co ever have or will. Same with Aydin.

Mathebula outboxed Donaire lol, Jeffrey Mathebula outboxed this so called p4p god!!

[HeroBando]

Well tbh I am not entirely sure how Mathebula or Vasquez Jr was in the top 10 if indeed they was.
I'm sure Mosley was still a top 10 at the time Canelo fought him. Amazing what name recognition does.

Berto is a two time world champion who has destroyed many 'top 10' fighters (Urango, Zaveck, Hernandez to name a few) , hes certainly done a lot more than Mathebula, Vasquez Jr & co ever have or will. Same with Aydin.

Mathebula outboxed Donaire lol, Jeffrey Mathebula outboxed this so called p4p god!!

terrible stuff, it's like you don't know what you're talking about every paragraph:

1. Mosley was definitely not top 10 at 154, not even rated
2. Urango was not rated at 147, Hernandez never top 10
3. Aydin was outclassed by light punching lww Jo Jo Dan in Aydin's hometown. He also barely made it past Said Ouali on shobox, i was thinking this prospect sucks. he's also 151 fight night, with extra short t rex arms, basically a big wild punching 135er
4. you didn't watch Mathebula Caballero clearly. that's fine, hardly did anyone. google for fight reports

[MRBOOMER]

What ever happened to Rico Ramos? or whatever his name was he fought him for that WBA belt he won.

[HeroBando]

What ever happened to Rico Ramos? or whatever his name was he fought him for that WBA belt he won.

he went life and death with esquivias on solo boxeo, in an 8 rounder. he showed a lot of heart, much more than normal, but 2 more rounds and he's done. his opponent then got shut out by another prospect on shobox.

we'll be seeing him soon vs ronny rios on shobox. that must be at 126+?

[dan_cov]

terrible stuff, it's like you don't know what you're talking about every paragraph:

1. Mosley was definitely not top 10 at 154, not even rated
2. Urango was not rated at 147, Hernandez never top 10
3. Aydin was outclassed by light punching lww Jo Jo Dan in Aydin's hometown. He also barely made it past Said Ouali on shobox, i was thinking this prospect sucks. he's also 151 fight night, with extra short t rex arms, basically a big wild punching 135er
4. you didn't watch Mathebula Caballero clearly. that's fine, hardly did anyone. google for fight reports

I seen Mathebula vs a heavily faded Cabellero and it was a close fight. Not like the robbery its made out to be. Corboda kicked the **** out of prime Cabellero when he was worth bigging up, so what?

151, Guerrero probably wasn't even that himself and seeing we're going down t-rex arms route look at Narvaez, Arce, Vasquez Jr, Marquez, Sydorenko and the likes.

Ortiz was top 10 #9, Zaveck top 10, oh my bad Hernandez was ranked 11th!

Mathebula was only moved into the top 10 to make the fight more appealing, lol. Barely anybody including die-hard fans knew who the fcuk he was.

[dan_cov]

Mathebula showing the world what Donaire really is, nothing but a 1-dimensional hypejob.


2012-07-07 Nonito Donaire vs Jeffrey Mathebula by ***********


I don't know which one is worse lmao. Look at him getting jabbed to absolute death
Creasing here, that guy is going to whoops Rigondeaux's ass? Haha I don't fcuking think so for one minute. Too funny!

Forgot though, apparently because Mathebula did that to Donaire though he is now apparently a highly skilled master-boxer.
Footwork on that!