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I agree with this. I did not think Marquez looked good at all. He looked slow like a tank, and built like one, too. Like I said, this dude has no business above 140, at this point. Optimal weight was probably 130, though. It might have been 135. That is why Mayweather-Marquez fight was a big joke. You can't have a fighter move up two weight classes and expect him to be at his best.
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Three years later and 4 fights above 135lbs later.
Mayweather is currently campaigning at 154lbs, let him go fight Andre Ward at 168 and try to "beat him with skill" because that he asked Marquez to do (but not before pretending to fight him at a catchweight).
Marquez wasn't even boxing well against Pacquiao @ 147, he still didn't look good until the KO came.Comment
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I agree here .... except for a couple of very important points that was missed besides what I already mentioned in my previous posts (eg. Marquez moving up 3 divisions to fight Floyd).
Marquez had already faced Manny 3 times and that is and was all he thought about for the last several years. They both knew each other very well. Marquez plan was actually not working too well last week. He was fortunate that that play went the way it did as you never know when and if there would be another occasion like that in the fight!
Marquez didn't look good because Manny used his speed, movement and angles very well last week. Manny also held Marquez more than he usually did when they were in close .... but at the end of the day, Manny paid for his mistakes much more than those made by Marquez.Last edited by ADP02; 12-17-2012, 03:16 AM.Comment
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No, he's not as big as some other welterweights, but he is naturally bigger than Marquez and Pacquiao. Like I said, nobody gave Marquez any kind of chance against Mayweather. That fight was a joke. I didn't even bother watching that joke of a fight. I knew it would be a joke with Marquez jumping up two whole weight divisions. Come on, bro. Marquez weighed 142 for a welterweight fight? How many welterweights do you see come in 5 pounds lower than the welterweight limit? Zero, except for lightweights. Aww, man. It's a laugher. Please stop it.Comment
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Have a goodnight, though, everybody. I'm out.Comment
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That still doesn't tell you what Floyd weighed in the ring for the fight with Marquez. Fact. You can speculate all you want on the Marquez fight, but you'll never know for sure because on fight night Floyd refused to step on the scale. Fact. Floyd unprofessionally failed to make the contracted weight for the fight with Marquez, so he had to pay a penalty for the fight to go on. Fact.Comment
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Styles make fights though, so you can't really compare that way. Either way you put it, Pac has done better in the overall standing of common opponents, excuses put to the side.
JMM KO'd Pac but don't talk like he wasn't copping as good as he was getting. It was a competitive fight with Pac getting greedy and not giving JMM his due respect.Comment
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You know there is a big difference from 147 or 154 to 168, then 135 to 144.
Marquez chose to come up. Just like Pacs opponents chose and agree to fight at a CW.
if it was a close fight you guys would have a point in giving no credit.
But it was a complete clowning. And it would been no different if Floyd came in at 144 or if they fought tomorrow.
Pac fans will give Pac credit for fighting DLH at 145, Cotto at 146, Marg at 150 and brining Marquez up to 144 in the 3rd fight.
Typical hypocrites and double standardsComment
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