Is Deontay Wilder More Overrated than Canelo Alvarez?

[Drunken Cat]

Didn't Hamer get outboxed not too long ago by the guy Wilder just flattened with one punch?

He did drop a split decision to him, but he would beat him if they fought again. Also triangle theories don't work.

[ArtThouFurious?]

Hard to evaluate Sconiers, since we never really get to see him, but he was still good enough to beat McCline, so he must not be as shot as McCline is, seeing how he never reached within a stone throw of McCline's height. He's probably still the journyman he always was. As such, comparing the McCline that fought Sconier to that which fought Wlad. is a non-sequitur.

On paper, McCline might've been one of Wlad's better wins, but the man who fought Wlad on that day fought scared as hell. I would rate a number of Wlad's opponents higher, including Thompsan, Chagaev, Byrd, Ibragimov, Haye, Peter, and Brock. There's 6. I could see an argument for replacing one of the above guys with McCline as well, except that I think that these were all better fighters who would beat McCline. That gets into triangle theorizing, which isn't what I'm going for. But if you want to argue on the basis of who was a tougher fight, the fact is that McCline didn't present much of anything at all. You might even put Wach ahead, or maybe they are about the same.

This is very debatable though, and I can't say I dispute your placement of McCline as a top 6 win, either. But, I stand by my comment that the Sconier comparison was sort of irrelevant given McCline's track record.

For the record, I'd still like to see Wilder succeed. I just am tired of the way he's being moved, and have taken up being very critical; moreover, I see a lot of flaws and I will call them out. The two things are related. I think that the people behind him know he is flawed, and this gives more fodder to the criticism. I had hope for Wilder once, but my hope has faded. I'll still watch him, but I won't anticipate his rising to the top anymore, in large part based on what I see when he is in the ring. A big right hand against no hopers doesn't impress me, especially when he can't even abide by boxing fundamentals like keeping his hands up or working off the jab, and his footwork is sloppy (although it has improved).

I'm not reading all that shit.

Learn to make your points more concisely.

He did drop a split decision to him,
but he would beat him if they fought again. Also triangle theories don't
work.

Fantasy:

Tor Hamer would defeat Kelvin Price if they fought again.

Reality:

Kelvin Price defeated Tor Hamer when they were matched up H2H

Kelvin Price is a superior boxer to Tor Hamer until proven otherwise.

and...

Wilder KO3 Price

[Deathknight88]

Can't wait till bump this thread again late next year when the Wilder Band Wagon takes over United States Sporting front by STORM and Wilder become the most talked about American HW since Tyson.

[Drunken Cat]

I'm not reading all that shit.

Learn to make your points more concisely.




Fantasy:

Tor Hamer would defeat Kelvin Price if they fought again.

Reality:

Kelvin Price defeated Tor Hamer when they were matched up H2H

Kelvin Price is a superior boxer to Tor Hamer until proven otherwise.

and...

Wilder KO3 Price

Go away fanboy.

[RightStraight]

Besides Cotto, Martinez, Mayweather, Trout and Lara. Who else is there for Alvarez to fight at 154?

As far as Wilder goes. It was a good show for him, it started kind of slow but it looked like he had command and once he pressed the gas, price couldn't take it. I'm not saying he's overnight gold, relax. Though, I wouldn't mind seeing him fight again. I'd like to see if there's more to him.

[Drunken Cat]

Can't wait till bump this thread again late next year when the Wilder Band Wagon takes over United States Sporting front by STORM and Wilder become the most talked about American HW since Tyson.

You are quite the fantasizer.

That will never happen though. And besides, you won't be around here in a year.

[ArtThouFurious?]

Go away fanboy.

[Drunken Cat]

How did I get "owned" when you can't even answer any of my points? You don't have to answer the long one you don't want to read which wasn't even directed at your post (though you are free to answer any points). You show your ignorance of boxing in your 'response' to the one which was directed at you.

Now, go away fanboy. You bring nothing to the table and are quite worthless to 'discuss' boxing with.

[DeadLikeMe]

Deontay Wilder would go Randall Bailey on Price...lose every damn round and still win the fight...mark it...

[Drunken Cat]

Deontay Wilder would go Randall Bailey on Price...lose every damn round and still win the fight...mark it...

Price is a serious power puncher in his own right. You don't go out and lose every round to price without going out on your back.