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  • kiaba360
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    #11
    Originally posted by Light_Speed
    He fought Dawson after turning down Bute.

    LOL Donaire is saying the same thing about Rigo.

    Donaire also fought Nishioka who was the #1 SBW. That's the 3rd time he demolished a division kingpin.


    I'm comparing the situations. Bute actually had much more bargaining power to demand a fight.
    Very true. Rigo only has a belt as his bargaining power, but Bute had a title and $$$. Rigo will never be the best option available for Nonito, which is why I'm expecting the fight to NOT happen. Realistically, Rigo is 3-4 fights away from becoming a big name in the lower divisions. I don't think he has the patience to wait any longer. He'll have one more fight this year and then look to set up Donaire/Rigo, but I expect negotiations to fall through and Nonito will either fight Arce or move up to fight the winner of Salido/Garcia.

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    • Cubanborn87
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      #12
      how long did it take the TS to pull this out of his a$$, i could do the same thing talking about martinez/chavez lmao and still would make as much sense as this guy's theory. Completely different fighters involved what does bute got in common with rigo?

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      • HeroBando
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        #13
        Originally posted by Cubanborn87
        how long did it take the TS to pull this out of his a$$, i could do the same thing talking about martinez/chavez lmao and still would make as much sense as this guy's theory. Completely different fighters involved what does bute got in common with rigo?
        That both were unproven compared to the main guy they were challenging, Bute less so. Both looked great against inferior comp, and showed just traces of iffy chin. Rigo is much better skilled for sure, but less proven and a much lesser draw.

        Chavez is of course a much bigger draw than Sergio, that's the only reason the fight needed to happen.

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        • DoktorSleepless
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          #14
          Man, Ward should have taken that Bute fight right away. He let that easy big paycheck get away from him. Should have taken that 0 before anyone else did. Froch got a ton of credit for that Bute win and so would have Ward. There was no need for Bute to build himself up more. He was already a megastar in Canada and as popular in the US as he was probably ever going to get. Sure, he wasn't as proven against real top elite fighters (although he had several top 10 wins), but he already bought a lot money to the table and that's the main thing that matters.

          Ward should have just fought Dawson when he's ready to move up to 175. He's not getting as much credit for Dawson as much as he would have if he fought him at 175.
          Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 10-15-2012, 10:14 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Light_Speed
            After Ward won the super 6, there was a lot of pressure from the boxing world to make the Bute fight happen. Ward surprisingly dismissed the fight and said Bute needed to prove himself. After Bute lost to Froch, Ward explained why he turned down Bute :

            "It would’ve been great to come off the Super Six Tournament and beat Bute but it doesn’t always work like that. In this sport, the business side of it is like a game of chess and you try to make the best moves you can in the moment and I stand by my decision to have Lucian Bute fight somebody."

            "A lot of writers and a lot of media, they pumped [Bute] up to be the best guy in the division. I never said I was the best guy but I didn’t feel like he was the best guy simply because he hadn’t fought the best."



            And Bute is a big draw in his country, sells 15k to 20k tickets everytime he fights. So why didn't Ward fight him? Same reason why Lopez didn't fight Gamboa right away, same reason why Mares didn't fight Moreno right away, etc. : they wanted to milk the fight. Why fight the guy right away when you can wait, create more demand and maximize revenue? Business 101.

            That's exactly what Donaire is doing. Why fight Rigondeaux right now for peanuts when the guy hasn't beaten a marquee name? That would be a dumb move.
            What marquee name did Narvaez and Vaquez Jr beat before they fought Donaire? How about Mathebula, is Takalani Ndlovu a marquee name? Or Mathebula is just a a marquee name himself right? The Golden Boy Jeffrey Mathebula. Oh no wait, I got a better one, Omar "Money" Narvaez. How about Wilfredo Canelo Vazquez?

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              #16
              Originally posted by Light_Speed
              He fought Dawson after turning down Bute.
              Yeah Chad Dawson, he is only The Ring Light Heavyweight champion. Turned down Bute for Dawson, the stylistically easier fight.

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              • daggum
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                #17
                it's only about business when it's someone dangerous. when it's vasquez or mathelubey there's no mention of business or needing to beat marquee names. this is a common ducking tactic. you aren't supposed to lend it any credibility.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by -Kev-
                  What marquee name did Narvaez and Vaquez Jr beat before they fought Donaire? How about Mathebula, is Takalani Ndlovu a marquee name? Or Mathebula is just a a marquee name himself right? The Golden Boy Jeffrey Mathebula. Oh no wait, I got a better one, Omar "Money" Narvaez. How about Wilfredo Canelo Vazquez?
                  For one, those guys probably took way less than Rigo will be expecting. Champ Nishioka took 100k, but had his own side deal. Mathebula took way less than that, again some SA money. Vazquez is a minor draw, more of a real draw than Donaire or any of these guys except Arce, maybe Mares

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by DoktorSleepless
                    Man, Ward should have taken that Bute fight right away. He let that easy big paycheck get away from him. Should have taken that 0 before anyone else did. Froch got a ton of credit for that Bute win and so would have Ward. There was no need for Bute to build himself up more. He was already a megastar in Canada and as popular in the US as he was probably ever going to get. Sure, he wasn't as proven against real top elite fighters (although he had several top 10 wins), but he already bought a lot money to the table and that's the main thing that matters.

                    Ward should have just fought Dawson when he's ready to move up to 175. He's not getting as much credit for Dawson as much as he would have if he fought him at 175.
                    Yeah, honestly Bute is one real top SMW I can see Ward knocking out. His chin is not good, but his defensive instincts and inside game are shocking, and Ward would feast on it.

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