Comments Thread For: Donaire: If No Challenges at 122, I'll Move Up To 126

[richardt]

[QUOTE=!! Shawn;12608335]What about Joel Casamayor, and Juan Carlos Gomez?QUOTE]The point flew RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD! The point was, NOT all good or great Amateurs become stars or greats as Pros. Some do, some don't! That includes ALL Countries. One of the PUREST examples is Howard Davis. He was one of the greatest Amateurs EVER. Lost to Jim Watt and others.

[richardt]

Francisco Bojado and Jeff Lacy had mixed success but nothing great. Simple, a good, excellent, or great amatuer career does not hold the promise of a good, excellent, or great Pro career.

[richardt]

And how you can tell when someone is BRAND NEW to Boxing, is when they mention that a fighter beat another fighter in the Amatuers and that means he will beat that guy in the Pros. If that were true, Pavlik would have never stopped Taylor, Bowe would have never stopped Jorge Luis Gonzales, Leonard would have never beaten Randy Sheilds. If Hearns who lost to Aaron Pryor, would have fought Pryor as a Pro, Pryor would have been carried out of the ring by his cornermen.

[Cubanborn87]

what a fokin pussi this guy is, 122 is a stacked division i will not let you insult my intelligence you dirtbag

[!! Shawn]

The point flew RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD! The point was, NOT all good or great Amateurs become stars or greats as Pros. Some do, some don't! That includes ALL Countries. One of the PUREST examples is Howard Davis. He was one of the greatest Amateurs EVER. Lost to Jim Watt and others.

You missed the point. The point is Rigondeaux has shown himself to be one of the fighters that did make the transition well. Ive already stated before that there are 2 big criteria for a fighter transitioning well. Stamina, and Punching power.

Howard Davis couldn't swat a fly, neither could Yan Barthelemy. We could do more fighters as well if you want.

[!! Shawn]

You got me all wrong, I'm not here to hate on Cuban fighters. More often than not I'll be pulling for them, else why take interest in guys like Franco, Jhonson, Ugas etc? The reason I brought up these examples is:

1. most of these Donaire haters are Cuban, so giving something closer to home, easier to understand
2. other top prospects (esp US, PR, German, UK, high profile ones) are handled with much more care. Many Cubans are rushed due to amateur pedigree, and get set back early. Despaigne had very decent pro potential if moved slower, for example. The only guys that went unscathed so far are Gamboa and Rigo.

Put it like this: Rigo with his 400 amateur fights wasn't ready for the likes of Donaire when he fought Cordoba, right? So now he's ready after facing Rico Ramos and 3 non top tenners? Maybe, he's been looking better, but we'd have a better idea if he finally beat someone like Cordoba or better, in style. That win was 2 years ago, and ugly. And there's a big gulf between that Cordoba and Donaire.

Other top amateurs get some time to develop in the pro's because they turn pro when they are 18-22. Cubans usually don't get that opportunity. Rigondeaux didnt successfully defect until he was 29.

He doesn't have 5 or 6 years to fight progressively better fighters and gradually test himself.

If he does that, by the time he gets relevant fights, he will be past his prime.

His only option is to step up and fight the big fight NOW. Not in a year, not in 2 years, NOW. If it doesn't happen for him this year, we will never get to see the best of Rigondeaux, and that will be one of the great shames of boxing. Up there with Muhammad Ali being banned from boxing during his prime.

Will he be able to make it with the top guys? I don't know, but the boxing public as well as he himself deserve a chance to see how a prime Rigondeaux will do against the best of the best.

That is what pisses me of about what Donaire is doing. Its the same thing Floyd did to Pacquiao. He is going to wait for him to start to fade before he fights him, which is sad.

[HeroBando]

Other top amateurs get some time to develop in the pro's because they turn pro when they are 18-22. Cubans usually don't get that opportunity. Rigondeaux didnt successfully defect until he was 29.

He doesn't have 5 or 6 years to fight progressively better fighters and gradually test himself.

If he does that, by the time he gets relevant fights, he will be past his prime.

His only option is to step up and fight the big fight NOW. Not in a year, not in 2 years, NOW. If it doesn't happen for him this year, we will never get to see the best of Rigondeaux, and that will be one of the great shames of boxing. Up there with Muhammad Ali being banned from boxing during his prime.

Will he be able to make it with the top guys? I don't know, but the boxing public as well as he himself deserve a chance to see how a prime Rigondeaux will do against the best of the best.

That is what pisses me of about what Donaire is doing. Its the same thing Floyd did to Pacquiao. He is going to wait for him to start to fade before he fights him, which is sad.

Fair enough, makes sense from Rigo's POV, he's gotta do what's best for him. He'll definitely help his case if he beats some name opponents, there's a few willing to fight him. He fought 3 times last year, if he keeps same pace with a bit more quality, he'll be the "peoples mandatory", I just don't see it yet. Granted, Donaire moves up and there goes the money fight, but if that's his main motivation, doesn't give me a good feeling for the bout.

You agree that Cordoba is still his best opponent, after 2 years? And that it wasn't a good performance?

[!! Shawn]

Fair enough, makes sense from Rigo's POV, he's gotta do what's best for him. He'll definitely help his case if he beats some name opponents, there's a few willing to fight him. He fought 3 times last year, if he keeps same pace with a bit more quality, he'll be the "peoples mandatory", I just don't see it yet. Granted, Donaire moves up and there goes the money fight, but if that's his main motivation, doesn't give me a good feeling for the bout.

You agree that Cordoba is still his best opponent, after 2 years? And that it wasn't a good performance?

Cordoba or Ramos. Cordoba put up more of a fight, but I think it was actaully a fantastic performance. Not from a being exciting point if view, but if you go back and watch it again, it was a dominant win. It was nowhere near a SD.

Cordoba was getting "He did better than last round" rounds scored in his favor. He wasn't actually winning the rounds.

Considering that it was Rigo's first time going past 7 rounds, it was a fantastic performance.

Don't just take my word for it. Watch it for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCEN-BFVfM

[MASTER1454]

And how you can tell when someone is BRAND NEW to Boxing, is when they mention that a fighter beat another fighter in the Amatuers and that means he will beat that guy in the Pros. If that were true, Pavlik would have never stopped Taylor, Bowe would have never stopped Jorge Luis Gonzales, Leonard would have never beaten Randy Sheilds. If Hearns who lost to Aaron Pryor, would have fought Pryor as a Pro, Pryor would have been carried out of the ring by his cornermen.

Pryor would have been carried out of the ring? The same Hearns whose chin is a step above Amir Khan's & Pryor whose threshold for pain is that of 10 men? Step away from the keyboard...........

[HeroBando]

Cordoba or Ramos. Cordoba put up more of a fight, but I think it was actaully a fantastic performance. Not from a being exciting point if view, but if you go back and watch it again, it was a dominant win. It was nowhere near a SD.

Cordoba was getting "He did better than last round" rounds scored in his favor. He wasn't actually winning the rounds.

Considering that it was Rigo's first time going past 7 rounds, it was a fantastic performance.

Don't just take my word for it. Watch it for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCEN-BFVfM

You couldn't pay me enough to watch that again. Rigo was winning boring until he got dropped, coulda been flash, except he went all out running after that. Against Marroquin he didn't do that after getting caught, but there's a huge gap from Robert to Donaire.