Serious question. How is Martinez/Floyd the same as Martinez/Ward?

[FeFist]

Who gives a shyt about "Floyd fans"? Fuck "Floyd fans". If you feel that same way about Martinez-Ward as you do about Floyd-Martinez then why are you still hyping up the fight?

You wont even entertain the thought of Andre-Ward for the same reasons you hype up Mayweather-Martinez. I mean wtf.

If its at 154 then fine lace up. But the difference between me and you is that Im not going to sit here and say hes ducking a 160 pounder if he fights a JMW next.

Makes zero sense.

Thank you.

[Oxn]

Ward is the better fighter but Sergio is the Greater fighter.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And even that was 2 years ago.lol Dude stop reaching. Hes not a JMW.

I believe he weighed 157 for the Macklin fight also.

Why would I need to reach for anything? Im a boxing fan who wants to see a fight between two of the best fighters in the world.

You're a Mayweather butt boy who's REACHING for any excuse available for your hero NOT to take tough fights.

[kiaba360]

Floyd will inside fight Sergio the whole night because Sergio needs distance to land. Anytime you Sergio hitting deck is usually when when he's making exchanges on the inside and his hands being low becomes a hinderance when he just can't move out the way of a punch he see's coming.

Put it like this Sergio has the same problem Paul Williams has he wants to call out people but moves division away from them. If you clear everybody out in the same division you put them a corner to fight you.

Sergio didn't allow Chavez to wreck him on the inside like many thought he would. He probably doesn't have a complete inside game like Mayweather, but he's far from Amir Khan. Floyd is not above getting caught with shots himself, saw how he got caught ******ly by Cotto with a jab in the middle of the ring? Everyone gets caught, it's just that Floyd is more defensively responsible. Martinez dropping his hands is an invitation for a counter and I doubt Floyd will answer that door often. We know Floyd likes to force southpaws on the back-foot, but that's where Sergio desires to be. Floyd's high guard during these moments leaves him vulnerable for a straight left, and Sergio is fast enough and long enough to land it. Both are ring generals, so this fight is extremely intriguing to me. I would only choose Floyd because I've learned to never pick against him, but a 100% healthy Martinez @154 is capable of winning.

Sergio moved up because he found a great opportunity in Pavlik, and LMW wasn't the hot-bed for talent like it is now. After he beat Williams, he was calling out Mayweather/Cotto, and hasn't stopped ever since.

[SPREAD]

This is ridiculous, people just can't get over that Floyd is a bit too small to be fighting Martinez. He's not even big for a welterweight. Martinez shouldn't be weight jumping anyway, we've all seen the ramifications of such, especially at his age.

Of course I'll get attacked saying that I'm "afraid" to see Floyd fight Martinez, which is not the case at all. Just trying to talk some common sense, because people on this site are so ******edly obsessed with seeing Floyd lose. Floyd should fight Pac.

I also don't think Martinez should move up and fight the best Super middleweight either.

I see it one way, Floyd had a belt at the weight Martinez is willing to come down to.

It would be the same if Ward came down to 160. Buts he won't.

And in no language is Sergio a big middleweight, infact he's been shorter in height for every opponent at 160.

If it weren't for him being 37 he'd be able to make 154 and 160 with ease depending on who he wants to fight.

[adamdoyle]

[QUOTE=Bushbaby;12529896]Sergio Ward is a completely 1 sided fight. He cannot compete with Ward at 168. If you take a look at any reasonably competent boxing fan they will readily admit that.

The difference between those people & the average Floyd fan, is that the average Floyd fan will say that Floyd beats Martinez at 154 & 160, but in the same post, same sentence even, give boatloads of excuses as to why the fight doesn't happen.

Floyd will beat Martinez but he shouldn't fight him because:

Excuse #1
Excuse #2
Excuse #3 & the list goes on.

A Martinez fan will say, Martinez cannot compete at 168 & Ward destroys him there. Anything else you'd like to know??[/QUOtE/]

So your not gonna address the weight issues i brought up hmmmm.....
Wait,wait a minute? People are saying they shouldn't fight? oh they SHOULD fight, but that IS asking alot from Floyd, And let me get this straight, Ward destroys Martinez? I personally dn't think so! I WANT this fight to happen, but that doesn't mean i dnt realize the risks Floyd would be taking. BUT I ask you again if Floyd turns down a fight with Martinez what does that matter if Martinez turns down a fight with Ward? And don't forget Floyd's only a year/ a year and a half younger. So Sergio's age can go **** itself.

Im not making excuses for Floyd, you are ignoring the amount of weight he jumped and then turning around and saying Sergio gets a pass with Ward because he in your opinion he loses bad? So he shouldn't challenge himself?
The fact is Floyd is a 5 weight world champion, Sergio is a 1 weight bum and a 2 weight world champion and you have said if even tries to go up he gets destroyed

[Bushbaby]

[QUOTE=adamdoyle;12530182]

Sergio Ward is a completely 1 sided fight. He cannot compete with Ward at 168. If you take a look at any reasonably competent boxing fan they will readily admit that.

The difference between those people & the average Floyd fan, is that the average Floyd fan will say that Floyd beats Martinez at 154 & 160, but in the same post, same sentence even, give boatloads of excuses as to why the fight doesn't happen.

Floyd will beat Martinez but he shouldn't fight him because:

Excuse #1
Excuse #2
Excuse #3 & the list goes on.

A Martinez fan will say, Martinez cannot compete at 168 & Ward destroys him there. Anything else you'd like to know??[/QUOtE/]

So your not gonna address the weight issues i brought up hmmmm.....
Wait,wait a minute? People are saying they shouldn't fight? oh they SHOULD fight, but that IS asking alot from Floyd, And let me get this straight, Ward destroys Martinez? I personally dn't think so! I WANT this fight to happen, but that doesn't mean i dnt realize the risks Floyd would be taking. BUT I ask you again if Floyd turns down a fight with Martinez what does that matter if Martinez turns down a fight with Ward? And don't forget Floyd's only a year/ a year and a half younger. So Sergio's age can go **** itself.

Im not making excuses for Floyd, you are ignoring the amount of weight he jumped and then turning around and saying Sergio gets a pass with Ward because he in your opinion he loses bad? So he shouldn't challenge himself?
The fact is Floyd is a 5 weight world champion, Sergio is a 1 weight bum and a 2 weight world champion and you have said if even tries to go up he gets destroyed

No. I'm saying Floyd Martinez at 154 makes sense. Floyd jumping to 160 makes no sense. Floyd has never fought there, just like Martinez has never been to 168. It's not compatible. Floyd is the current 154lb champ. There's no reason why a Martinez fight cannot take place at 154. If Floyd chooses not to fight at 160, he has that right.

But to seriously sit there & try to compare Floyd fighting Martinez at a weight he is a champion at to Martinez fighting Ward in a weight class he's never fought at is loco.

[shade darkar]

[QUOTE=Bushbaby;12530201]

No. I'm saying Floyd Martinez at 154 makes sense. Floyd jumping to 160 makes no sense. Floyd has never fought there, just like Martinez has never been to 168. It's not compatible. Floyd is the current 154lb champ. There's no reason why a Martinez fight cannot take place at 154. If Floyd chooses not to fight at 160, he has that right.

But to seriously sit there & try to compare Floyd fighting Martinez at a weight he is a champion at to Martinez fighting Ward in a weight class he's never fought at is loco.

floyds just moved up, infact he has moved up 5 weight classes. why cant martinez move up?

im all for mayweather vs martinez at 154, but i see no reason why martinez cant move up to win a title in a 3rd division for a ward fight. if he is as good as you make out, then he will be competitive.

[Califas]

Floyd fans don't want to see Martinez ANYWHERE near him. He's too busy hitting women and stuff anyway.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

[QUOTE=adamdoyle;12530182]

Sergio Ward is a completely 1 sided fight. He cannot compete with Ward at 168. If you take a look at any reasonably competent boxing fan they will readily admit that.

The difference between those people & the average Floyd fan, is that the average Floyd fan will say that Floyd beats Martinez at 154 & 160, but in the same post, same sentence even, give boatloads of excuses as to why the fight doesn't happen.

Floyd will beat Martinez but he shouldn't fight him because:

Excuse #1
Excuse #2
Excuse #3 & the list goes on.

A Martinez fan will say, Martinez cannot compete at 168 & Ward destroys him there. Anything else you'd like to know??[/QUOtE/]

So your not gonna address the weight issues i brought up hmmmm.....
Wait,wait a minute? People are saying they shouldn't fight? oh they SHOULD fight, but that IS asking alot from Floyd, And let me get this straight, Ward destroys Martinez? I personally dn't think so! I WANT this fight to happen, but that doesn't mean i dnt realize the risks Floyd would be taking. BUT I ask you again if Floyd turns down a fight with Martinez what does that matter if Martinez turns down a fight with Ward? And don't forget Floyd's only a year/ a year and a half younger. So Sergio's age can go **** itself.

Im not making excuses for Floyd, you are ignoring the amount of weight he jumped and then turning around and saying Sergio gets a pass with Ward because he in your opinion he loses bad? So he shouldn't challenge himself?
The fact is Floyd is a 5 weight world champion, Sergio is a 1 weight bum and a 2 weight world champion and you have said if even tries to go up he gets destroyed

So Martinez cant move up ONE weight class to 168?


After he routinely weighs 174 or higher for 30 day weigh ins for middleweight?