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coooooool threadComment
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I don't think people say he was technically the most skilled boxer. He just happened to have all the attributes that a great fighter needs in order to succeed.
The power to ice iron-jawed middleweights with a single punch, the speed to get away with throwing triple left hooks, an ability to take punch like few others, the heart and determination to continue fighting even when on the losing end.
You can criticize his defense but Robinson was an offensive fighter who relied on the fact that most of his opponents were unable to lift a finger under his barrage of explosive punches, which was true in most cases. As far as offensive skills, there were few better than Robinson who always found increasingly creative ways to land his combinations.
He could also adapt and turn boxer when his usual style did not find success against opponents who were able to take his punch, separating him from most punchers who fall in love with their power.
A man who fought 200 times for over 2 decades without ever taking the count of ten couldn't have been that easy to hit, when it comes down to it.Comment
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Lets not forget its well documented of him cherry picking.
In the 40s he ducked just about every single legit threat going.
Charley Burley
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Jimmy Bevins
Aaron Wade (fought him once he was shot to pieces because he needed the money)
These are just a few of who he openly ducked.
Sugarmans resume is just stacked with guys like Jake Lamotta about 50 damn times.
Look at the gift decisions cluttered among his resume; Georgie Abrams being a standout SMASHED prime SRR to pieces - George Abrams was not only one a small, extremely feather fisted middleweight but he was completely shot.
He was made to look ordinary by very ordinary fighters time & time again. He only looked ''great'' against guys absolutely made for him like Jake LaMotta which is probably why they fought so many times.
You have to rely on ancient Telegraph articles for info ffs yet somehow this overpowers video evidence, Telegraph articles & documentation?
This is the equivalent to Paulie Malignaggi filling his resume with fighting Juan Diaz another 12 times, Lovemore Ndou another 16 times & Michael Lozada x14 whilst avoiding every legit threat going, what the hell would that prove?Comment
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So basically what you're saying is that he ducked
Ezzard Charles, a light heavyweight when Robinson was a welterweight and a heavyweight when Robinson was a middleweight? He should've moved up two divisions in weight?
Jimmy Bivins, the number 1 heavyweight contender when Robinson was a welterweight?
Archie Moore, a light heavyweight when Robinson was a welterweight? A man that Ray Robinson nearly fought in the late 50's when he was well washed up.
Burley was the guy that Robinson did not want to face. The reward was not worth the risk for Robinson to fight an opponent who campaigned in the middleweight division when Robinson himself was waiting on his long-due titleshot in the welterweight division. Robinson deserved a title shot by 1941, he didn't get one until the end of 1946. By the time Robinson started defending the title, Burley was out of the picture.
There's film of Robinson vs Abrams and Robinson gets the better of the visible action. It was far from the robbery that you're making it out to be. Abrams was a legendary spoiler who made almost everyone he ever fought look bad, including Robinson whom he outweighed by 12 pounds, but that was the extent of it. He did not "smash" Robinson.
Look at the welterweight rankings of the 1940's, there's barely anybody that Ray Robinson did not fight. He was one of the few examples that truly cleaned out his division to the extent that there was nobody left for him to face. The man that he beat twice, Kid Gavilan, reigned as the champion for many years afterwards.Last edited by TheGreatA; 08-28-2012, 07:36 PM.Comment
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Not as many as I would like my history of boxing fights mostly goes from the early 80's and up I need to start watching more old fights.Comment
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just get espn classic lol i dvr a lot of his fights
too me it might sound disrespectful but he fought very often against greats of his time he reminds me a lil of emanuel augustus, obviously sugar ray was better n prolly the best that has ever done itComment
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