Comments Thread For: Wach To Bail on W. Klitschko Fight Over "Slave Terms?"

[JAB5239]

Absolutely PATHETIC!! Why would Wlad need options like that against this tomato can? Its obvious K2 has become the new Don King in boxing. Its also sad that this isn't the first time they've used this strong arm tactic. I see some clowns in this thread saying opponents who have said this are lying and really just scared. My question, why announce a fight to begin with if you don't want it? Wach stinks, but NO ONE here really thinks he made this up to get out of the fight. The truth is the Klit bros need every single advantage to be comfortable in that ring whether its financial, rematch clauses or against unproven fighters without a chance of beating them. When was the last time a Klit gave a fair deal to make a real challenge happen?

[joe strong]

Well it is a volontary defense so K2 can pretty much put whatever condition they want in the contract. If Whack wants a shot at the biggest title in sport right now, he should comply. Otherwise he must get in line.

As for the options, well regardless of us fans liking Them or not, they are part of the game and has been so since (maybe before) Don King had monopoly on HW boxing. David Haye had to give Sauerland 3 options for getting a shot at Valuev for example, and Brian Magee gave options for Mogens Palle when fighting Mads Larsen.

this is exactly the situation. they can dictate terms how they want on a voluntary defence. the best way to get a shot is to earn it by actually becoming the #1 mandatory...

[joe strong]

False.

Thompson, Arreola, Johnson, Chambers, Sosnowski and many others had no problems.

It's just an excuse some use to avoid the Klitschkos.

chambers & thompson were mandatories so there would be no rematch clauses. kingpin & sosnowski had no chance of winning & in any other era would not have received a title shot so they jumped at the opportunity for the biggest payday of their careers & arreola is just a fighter & is willing to fight them 3 times. come on tunney just admit it that they are hardass promoters & are going to take advantage of their current title situation. they are doing the same thing bob arum, GBP, saurland or don king have been doing for decades. would you want to fight a klitschko 3 fights in a row? NO YOU WOULDN'T & neither would any of us. that's why povetkin, arreola & several others turn down the voluntary & will chase a mandatory title shot. they don't exactly open the vault for their challengers & they would probably make more money being the #1 mandatory then they would having 3 fights against a klitschko. david haye chose the valuev path to get in better bargaining position but he was forced to fight under sauerland\king on a 3 fight option so he fought ruiz & harrison before he took on wladimir. king & sauerland milked all they could out of those 3 fights(all 3 PPV). there was no way they would allow haye to fight wladimir immediately after he beat valuev because they would of had 2 fight options left without haye having a title which would not give them nearly the money. why can't you see this? it has nothing to do with *****ing out of fights. it's business & 3 fights in a row vs a klitschko is BAD BUSINESS not to mention a health risk. so why would someone take 3 beatings in a row & not get paid what they could earn going the mandatory route?

[joe strong]

False.

Thompson, Arreola, Johnson, Chambers, Sosnowski and many others had no problems.

It's just an excuse some use to avoid the Klitschkos.

it's funny how all these boxers complain about "slave contracts" & the klitschko fans all defend them calling the potential opponents liars & chickens but NEVER ONCE HAS EITHER KLITSCHKO COME OUT & DENIED OFFERING SLAVE CONTRACTS. they only say i offered him a contract & they turned it down...politicians never lie!!!! lol!

[JAB5239]

it's funny how all these boxers complain about "slave contracts" & the klitschko fans all defend them calling the potential opponents liars & chickens but NEVER ONCE HAS EITHER KLITSCHKO COME OUT & DENIED OFFERING SLAVE CONTRACTS. they only say i offered him a contract & they turned it down...politicians never lie!!!! lol!

I wouldn't expect and answer to this. If you do get one don't expect it to be reasonable. These guys defend the Klits no matter how ludicrous the argument.

[STEELHEAD]

why do the klits pull this sht time after time. man they fight all these lackeys and are not satisfied with 80/20 split. but enslave them for a number of fights at low or no wages.
whats with these silly rabblts?

[Ravens Fan]

chambers & thompson were mandatories so there would be no rematch clauses. kingpin & sosnowski had no chance of winning & in any other era would not have received a title shot so they jumped at the opportunity for the biggest payday of their careers & arreola is just a fighter & is willing to fight them 3 times. come on tunney just admit it that they are hardass promoters & are going to take advantage of their current title situation. they are doing the same thing bob arum, GBP, saurland or don king have been doing for decades. would you want to fight a klitschko 3 fights in a row? NO YOU WOULDN'T & neither would any of us. that's why povetkin, arreola & several others turn down the voluntary & will chase a mandatory title shot. they don't exactly open the vault for their challengers & they would probably make more money being the #1 mandatory then they would having 3 fights against a klitschko. david haye chose the valuev path to get in better bargaining position but he was forced to fight under sauerland\king on a 3 fight option so he fought ruiz & harrison before he took on wladimir. king & sauerland milked all they could out of those 3 fights(all 3 PPV). there was no way they would allow haye to fight wladimir immediately after he beat valuev because they would of had 2 fight options left without haye having a title which would not give them nearly the money. why can't you see this? it has nothing to do with *****ing out of fights. it's business & 3 fights in a row vs a klitschko is BAD BUSINESS not to mention a health risk. so why would someone take 3 beatings in a row & not get paid what they could earn going the mandatory route?

So, you think that Sosnowski and Kingpin would not have gotten a shot in another era? Well, all I can say is that I bet Larry Holmes would have fought them. And why do I say that? Because I sat and watched Larry's entire career as the champ. And honestly he defended his title against some really horrible and undeserving opponents. And I am not going to waste my time naming them. Simply because anyone that has any amount of boxing knowledge knows who they are.

The reason I mentioned Larry's career is because you make it sound like it was something that Vitali invented. When in reality any fighter who has had multiple defenses of a title has certainly fought their share of undeserving opponents. From Bernard Hopkins to Larry Holmes and all the way back to the Brown Bomber himself. Obviously you could argue on who has fought the bigger share of less then desirable opponents. However, Vitali still isn't the first and he surely will not be last to have done so. And remember he is 41 years old and way past his prime while in his second career as a boxer.

I also don't understand why you are crucify the Klit brothers and the way they do business? Why, because they are smart enough to promote themselves and cut the middle man out and make more money for themselves. What is wrong with that? After all I have never seen Don King or Bob Arum spill any blood inside a boxing ring. And yet they seem to reap huge rewards while the fighters are the ones taking all the punishment.

As far as Wach is concerned lets say that everything he has said is true. The Klit bothers want the options of three fights and they are hard to deal with etc. etc. My question is what does Wach bring to the table that would possibly make him believe that he deserves anything better? I believe that everyone would agree that even for as big as he is physically Wach doesn't bring much of anything to the table.

After all he is getting a shot at a title that Wlad has spent a life time building on. From his amateur days as the Olympic champ to his devastating loses as a pro and to his unify the titles and his multiple defenses. With that said, all that Wach had to do to get a shot was to beat two past their prime club fighters in Fields and McBride. So, if anything Wach should stop complaining and should be beyond grateful for the opportunity that he had to do so little to receive, and even more importantly does not deserve.

I also want to touch on the contracts again. I want to start by saying that unlike most of you I have no idea what is in the contracts. And for all I know Wach could have been mimicking what he had heard just because he wanted a better deal. And it sure was cleared up pretty fast so what ever the problem was it surely doesn't seem like it was much of a deal breaker.

As for options themselves I don't believe it means Wach would have to fight three fights with a Klit brother. The most obvious reason is simply because there are only two of them. And for all practical purposes one of them already has one foot in retirement.

You have also stated that it would not be good business for Wach to have to fight a Klit brother three times. That would actually make it four fights between the three of them. And I agree because that may possibly be good business for an organization such as the WWE but it would not be good business for boxing. I also believe that if we as fans can see the fact that it would not be good for boxing so can the Klit brothers.

So, I have no doubt that there is rematch clause in there but as far as the other options are concerned. I think it is all about the business of making money and not so much to make sure a Klit bro is in the fight. After all by that point Vitali is sure to be retired and remember they are promoters that are in the business of boxing and I simply see as them protecting an investment. And if Wach doesn't like the options he can always go over to the UFC and get his brains bashed in for a few thousand dollars.

Sometimes I don’t know how to condense my thoughts so I apologize for writing so much.

[Light_Speed]

would you want to fight a klitschko 3 fights in a row? NO YOU WOULDN'T & neither would any of us. that's why povetkin, arreola & several others turn down the voluntary & will chase a mandatory title shot.

If I was a heavyweight contender hell yeah I would fight them, biggest payday in the division. But if I win one fight, I better get more money for the other two fights. Business 101.

[Superflo777]

So, you think that Sosnowski and Kingpin would not have gotten a shot in another era? Well, all I can say is that I bet Larry Holmes would have fought them. And why do I say that? Because I sat and watched Larry's entire career as the champ. And honestly he defended his title against some really horrible and undeserving opponents. And I am not going to waste my time naming them. Simply because anyone that has any amount of boxing knowledge knows who they are.

The reason I mentioned Larry's career is because you make it sound like it was something that Vitali invented. When in reality any fighter who has had multiple defenses of a title has certainly fought their share of undeserving opponents. From Bernard Hopkins to Larry Holmes and all the way back to the Brown Bomber himself. Obviously you could argue on who has fought the bigger share of less then desirable opponents. However, Vitali still isn't the first and he surely will not be last to have done so. And remember he is 41 years old and way past his prime while in his second career as a boxer.

I also don't understand why you are crucify the Klit brothers and the way they do business? Why, because they are smart enough to promote themselves and cut the middle man out and make more money for themselves. What is wrong with that? After all I have never seen Don King or Bob Arum spill any blood inside a boxing ring. And yet they seem to reap huge rewards while the fighters are the ones taking all the punishment.

As far as Wach is concerned lets say that everything he has said is true. The Klit bothers want the options of three fights and they are hard to deal with etc. etc. My question is what does Wach bring to the table that would possibly make him believe that he deserves anything better? I believe that everyone would agree that even for as big as he is physically Wach doesn't bring much of anything to the table.

After all he is getting a shot at a title that Wlad has spent a life time building on. From his amateur days as the Olympic champ to his devastating loses as a pro and to his unify the titles and his multiple defenses. With that said, all that Wach had to do to get a shot was to beat two past their prime club fighters in Fields and McBride. So, if anything Wach should stop complaining and should be beyond grateful for the opportunity that he had to do so little to receive, and even more importantly does not deserve.

I also want to touch on the contracts again. I want to start by saying that unlike most of you I have no idea what is in the contracts. And for all I know Wach could have been mimicking what he had heard just because he wanted a better deal. And it sure was cleared up pretty fast so what ever the problem was it surely doesn't seem like it was much of a deal breaker.

As for options themselves I don't believe it means Wach would have to fight three fights with a Klit brother. The most obvious reason is simply because there are only two of them. And for all practical purposes one of them already has one foot in retirement.

You have also stated that it would not be good business for Wach to have to fight a Klit brother three times. That would actually make it four fights between the three of them. And I agree because that may possibly be good business for an organization such as the WWE but it would not be good business for boxing. I also believe that if we as fans can see the fact that it would not be good for boxing so can the Klit brothers.

So, I have no doubt that there is rematch clause in there but as far as the other options are concerned. I think it is all about the business of making money and not so much to make sure a Klit bro is in the fight. After all by that point Vitali is sure to be retired and remember they are promoters that are in the business of boxing and I simply see as them protecting an investment. And if Wach doesn't like the options he can always go over to the UFC and get his brains bashed in for a few thousand dollars.

Sometimes I don’t know how to condense my thoughts so I apologize for writing so much.

Excellent post. Thank you.

[Simurgh]

Great post by Ravens Fan!