Fans and their "out of their prime" excuse

[jabsRstiff]

The point should be.....

If your boy is about to fight someone, & you say your boy will win.....Don't go using the "he was past his prime excuse", when he loses. You obviously thought there was still enough of him left over to take the guy.

[BLOODSHED]

Essentially yes...

but if you read Max Kellerman's articles, he always puts an asterisk next to Tarver's wins over RJJ. He just needs to stop that prime **** too.

The point should be.....

If your boy is about to fight someone, & you say your boy will win.....Don't go using the "he was past his prime excuse", when he loses. You obviously thought there was still enough of him left over to take the guy.

[machotime]

Prime- There is such thing as this terminology in boxing. There is a differnce using it as an excuse and as a legitimate explanation. Tarver would have never beat RJJ as a Middleweight. Also, I didn't say that Tito was not in his prime, I said that as he went up in weight he became slower, moved less, and threw less punches.

ImSoFlyyy; If you know anything about boxing you would know that moving up in weight does have an effect on your boxing capabilities. RJJ was used to being hit by middleweights as Tito was used to being hit by welterweights. When you increase weight and your opponent has been at that weight longer (e.g. Tito-Hopkins, DLH-Hopkins)their punches have power that one is not acustomed to. This plays a major role in boxing. The punch of a 147-pounder is not the same as a 160. Speed is diminished, movement is diminished as well. Hopkins fought at middleweight for his entire career, if he were to go up in weight to light heavyweight, he would get KTFO. If DLH and Tito were true Middleweights, Hopkins would have lost, especially to DLH.

[jabsRstiff]

Though I believed Trinidad was no longer at his best....
I believed he'd win in his TYPICAL FASHION over Winky Wright.

Well, he was humiliated. ....
&, losing like that hurt his legacy, while enhancing Wright's.
He lost so badly against Wright, I don't think, had he been at his best, that there would be much difference.

[BLOODSHED]

There's more of that haterade you're on...

moving up in weight affects all fighters. Mayweather just moved up in weight and he still looked great. Just like Tito did against Mayorga.

I'm willing to bet points that people would say that Hopkins still TKO/KOs DLH/Tito if Hopkins went down in weight to their weight classes.

You're using weight and "prime" as a crutch for Tito. Please stop...

Prime- There is such thing as this terminology in boxing. There is a differnce using it as an excuse and as a legitimate explanation. Tarver would have never beat RJJ as a Middleweight. Also, I didn't say that Tito was not in his prime, I said that as he went up in weight he became slower, moved less, and threw less punches.

ImSoFlyyy; If you know anything about boxing you would know that moving up in weight does have an effect on your boxing capabilities. RJJ was used to being hit by middleweights as Tito was used to being hit by welterweights. When you increase weight and your opponent has been at that weight longer (e.g. Tito-Hopkins, DLH-Hopkins)their punches have power that one is not acustomed to. This plays a major role in boxing. The punch of a 147-pounder is not the same as a 160. Speed is diminished, movement is diminished as well. Hopkins fought at middleweight for his entire career, if he were to go up in weight to light heavyweight, he would get KTFO. If DLH and Tito were true Middleweights, Hopkins would have lost, especially to DLH.

[BLOODSHED]

Tito's a mental midget, check my thread that I'm about to bump.

Though I believed Trinidad was no longer at his best....
I believed he'd win in his TYPICAL FASHION over Winky Wright.

Well, he was humiliated. ....
&, losing like that hurt his legacy, while enhancing Wright's.
He lost so badly against Wright, I don't think, had he been at his best, that there would be much difference.

[BLOODSHED]

Winky is willing to bore a crowd just to say he wasn't hit. That type of fighter is dangerous for Tito, because Winky doesn't care how he looks.

Though I believed Trinidad was no longer at his best....
I believed he'd win in his TYPICAL FASHION over Winky Wright.

Well, he was humiliated. ....
&, losing like that hurt his legacy, while enhancing Wright's.
He lost so badly against Wright, I don't think, had he been at his best, that there would be much difference.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Roy Jones was not at his best against Tarver...

BUT.....that didn't stop me from thinking he would beat Tarver (fights 1 & 2).

I thought he'd beat Tarver, but he got blasted. So, all credit to Tarver.
Saying Jones wasn't at his best does not take away from Tarver's accomplishment.

Agreed. Roy certainly was past his prime but I still felt he would win. Tarver won, so give him credit, but that doesn't make him GREAT nor does it mean Roy was in his prime. A man who relies on speed and reflexes is not in their prime at the age of 36 after losing that much muscle.

[Baddest man on da planet]

Roy's KO loss to Tarver was not an issue of being in your prime. It was an issue of Tarver crippling a myth, and Jones being too mentally crushed as a fighter to win a fight after it.

Tyson's loss to Douglas had nothing to do with his prime.

Trinidad's loss to Hopkins had nothing to do with Trinidad being out of his prime.

i agree with you e.g. tyson when he lost to douglas he was not out of his prime he fought like an idiot. even in the first bruno fight he fought like an idiot but got lucky because he power bailed him out

[BLOODSHED]

Jones was IN BETTER SHAPE THAN TARVER AND JONES AND TARVER ARE THE SAME AGE.

Jones also had more experience.

CORRECTION: TARVER is OLDER than Jones.

Also, when one RJJ a one punch KO boxer?

Agreed. Roy certainly was past his prime but I still felt he would win. Tarver won, so give him credit, but that doesn't make him GREAT nor does it mean Roy was in his prime. A man who relies on speed and reflexes is not in their prime at the age of 36 after losing that much muscle.