OFFICIAL NSB Al Haymon managed fighters thread. Discuss & Debate!

[illmaticfighter]

so you really think Austin Trout is a prospect and that Ramos stepped up even though he was forced to face his mandatory?

yes i do, he sure ass hell looked like one facing Rodriguez if he is a fighter in his prime than he is gonna have one short of a fight career.

man, why are you trying to act as if ramos couldn't vacate that title and go pick up another title it would be as easy as counting to ten.

no his first risky fight was Theopane, then Morales now Khan

i wouldn't call morales and theopane risky fights as they were looking to see where he was in his career i.e should we push him more or let him continue to grow.

that's funny I would tell you the same thing but you seem to not realize that if you're calling Trout a prospect lol

(sarcasm) ok trout is a legit champion who's ready to face miguel cotto come on man(sarcasm)

he was woefully behind, lost every round, and got lucky with one punch

prior to that what exactly did he do to deserve a title shot?

well according to you he had two risky fights before fighting khan,i don't know why your stuck in the mindset as if fighters today have to earn a title shot this isn't the 80s.

also if khan was beating garcia up until he got lucky doesn't that prove haymon took a risk matching garcia with khan?

again slower this time

he had no choice but to face Rigo or be stripped

using the threat of you will be stripped if you don't fight this guy hasn't worked on fighters for years,marquez was hamed mando for how many years?

fighters today will vacate a title in a heart beat,ramos had options here and he an al haymon chose the riskiest one.

just because in your eyes he looked like a prospect does not mean he is you're just using that to fit your argument

and it's funny how you put names out there yet he is rumored to be fighting the very names you list

in fact....Trout has been a champion longer than Canelo yet very few call him a prospect anymore

this is fun

i doubt he fights any of them yet we can bet some points on that he hasn't proven he's ready which is why he's still a prospect in my eyes.

in fact canelo has looked more impressive than trout hell so has peter quillen i just don't see haymon and his team having confidence in trout to put him in with a top dog.

after how many years and soft touches while being on HBO? years man cmon

did i say his career was handled the way it should've been?

for some yes others no

which means he, like everyone else, is not above being criticized

that's been my entire point

i think haymon is doing a good job he really f up with berto i don't know what the hell went wrong there but everyone else is being managed correctly imo.

so i understand everyone's anger against berto but everyone else i think he's doing a damn good job with.

[The Gambler1981]

Somebody always gets left out in the cold no matter what that isn't new or profound~

It is what it is~

I have talked shit about Arum but I would always preface it by saying I understand why he does what he does and it is very good for his business which is his main concern, my main issue would be that he talks and media does not filter or even explain how what he says benefits his cause like his word is the word of god and you get tons of people spewing his lines, like brainless zombies.

Haymon does not talk, so people just draw whatever conclusion they desire which is the opposite end of the spectrum.

I don't have to defend a guy like Arum because he defends and explains himself which is his right but many don't really think critically about him, a guy like Haymon people throw out all kinds of crackpot stuff and think overly critically because their minds are just allowed to run wild.

[The Gambler1981]

Let me guess Al Haymon went back in time to mastermind Ray Robinson leaving Charlie Burley out in the cold~

Let me guess he bleached his skin to go back in time to help Jack Dempsey avoid black fighters, leaving them out in the cold.

Let me guess, it was Al Haymon who was behind **** Tiger demanding 150 grand cash on top of his normal purse just to get in the ring with Bob Foster~

Yea boxing was a white shinning knight all those year ago and Al Haymon came a long and screwed it all up for everyone else, it is not just people finally seeing all the ***** now~

[The Big Dunn]

but we as fans either spent wasted time watching Berto get paraded a list of less than deserving guys or (mere speculation but a good one) probably missed out on fights because of the inflated budget earmarked for Berto's fights

we as fans lost out so while in the end karma might have caught up with this practice the in between ******

again, is it al haymon's fault HBO invested in Berto? I mean its been about 20 years now where HBO has made it clear it wants stars, not great fights. AT some point boxing fans have to see how the landscape has changed.

Twice as many people will pay to see floyd then a martinez/chavez matchup. More people would pay for floyd/manny, than floyd/bradley or floyd/martinez, which are better fights "on paper". which do you think HBO wants, the better fights or the bigger stars?

[illmaticfighter]

all boxing promoters have their faults.

i believe haymon likes to give his fighters a chance to grow into a prime fighter rather than throw them in with the top dogs as soon as they claim one of the billion titles out there.

but what i and many other fans hate is that we have to watch these fighters grow on hbo the biggest boxing network when we could be getting fights with fighters in there prime instead.

arum i believe really does fix his fights at times and manipulates things behind the scenes,so things can go his way in the end.

don king what can i say screws his fighters out of money basically making sure he gets every penny he can without getting sued and still does.

gp they imo always picks the worst fighters to hype and they never seem to live up to it. they do match there guys alright at times except for canelo.

but they seem to always pick the guy who's gonna show signs of brilliance then let everyone down in the end.

[Eaner0919]

yes i do, he sure ass hell looked like one facing Rodriguez if he is a fighter in his prime than he is gonna have one short of a fight career.

man, why are you trying to act as if ramos couldn't vacate that title and go pick up another title it would be as easy as counting to ten.

because he wasn't ranked at any other sanctioning body due to him being the champion so while in theory you could do that he would also have to

1. hear how he is ducking Rigo
2. get in line with another sanctioning body

be realistic please you know that what you stated about Ramos isn't an easy option but one to fit your arguement

and sorry but Austin is no more a prospect than Canelo period

i wouldn't call morales and theopane risky fights as they were looking to see where he was in his career i.e should we push him more or let him continue to grow.

you should because both fights were risky tests for Garcia and IMO he might have lost the Theopane fight

(sarcasm) ok trout is a legit champion who's ready to face miguel cotto come on man(sarcasm)

see that's your personal opinion about him but what we have is the WBA champion looking to face other champions in his division

also of note you do realize that he has the same # of defenses as K9 right?

still make him a prospect lol and not ready for the likes of Cotto et al?

well according to you he had two risky fights before fighting khan,i don't know why your stuck in the mindset as if fighters today have to earn a title shot this isn't the 80s.

because they should and going back to the original point if we're to criticize those who partake in this practice then we should also be willing to criticize Haymon for doing this as well

he is not above criticism

also if khan was beating garcia up until he got lucky doesn't that prove haymon took a risk matching garcia with khan?

who said he got lucky? I said Ramos got lucky but Garcia was throwing that hook throughout much like Martinez was throwing that counter left against PWill

using the threat of you will be stripped if you don't fight this guy hasn't worked on fighters for years,marquez was hamed mando for how many years?

but that does not apply for all involved and you know that. You know that a lesser known guy such as Ramos cannot dictate being on the same playing fields as Hamed or JMM

in fact I also dont think JMM should have been given an easy belt against Fedchenko as he did squat at 140 to deserve it but because of his name the WBO was all too willing to give it to him and TR ate it up. That ****** IMO as well

fighters today will vacate a title in a heart beat,ramos had options here and he an al haymon chose the riskiest one.

lol if you think these belts mean nothing then ask Ramos personally if that belt meant nothing

i doubt he fights any of them yet we can bet some points on that he hasn't proven he's ready which is why he's still a prospect in my eyes.

in fact canelo has looked more impressive than trout hell so has peter quillen i just don't see haymon and his team having confidence in trout to put him in with a top dog.

and your eyes are deceiving you

question. How many actual fights of Trout have you seen? be honest

Quillin looked impressive against Winky who had been off three years you really want to tout that? prior to that he looked less than stellar against McEwan

also it looks like Quillin is getting another so-so fighter in Rubio so there goes your theory about him being put in risky

did i say his career was handled the way it should've been?

no but you did mention that we got the benefit of him fighting Ortiz

i think haymon is doing a good job he really f up with berto i don't know what the hell went wrong there but everyone else is being managed correctly imo.

your biases do show with this but okay thats your opinion

so i understand everyone's anger against berto but everyone else i think he's doing a damn good job with.

and you would be wrong with a few of them

[Eaner0919]

again, is it al haymon's fault HBO invested in Berto? I mean its been about 20 years now where HBO has made it clear it wants stars, not great fights. AT some point boxing fans have to see how the landscape has changed.

Twice as many people will pay to see floyd then a martinez/chavez matchup. More people would pay for floyd/manny, than floyd/bradley or floyd/martinez, which are better fights "on paper". which do you think HBO wants, the better fights or the bigger stars?

yes it is his fault as much as it is anyone else who puts a crap fight on

wait why is Floyd/Bradley better on paper?

[Eaner0919]

all boxing promoters have their faults.

i believe haymon likes to give his fighters a chance to grow into a prime fighter rather than throw them in with the top dogs as soon as they claim one of the billion titles out there.

but so does Top Rank and yet they probably get the harshest criticism out here now

but what i and many other fans hate is that we have to watch these fighters grow on hbo the biggest boxing network when we could be getting fights with fighters in there prime instead.

so you were pissed at Quillin fighting McEwan on HBO then?

how about Gary Russell facing Ruiz?

Broner facing Rodriguez?

arum i believe really does fix his fights at times and manipulates things behind the scenes,so things can go his way in the end.

okay what about Williams vs Lara? how do you spin that one?

gp they imo always picks the worst fighters to hype and they never seem to live up to it. they do match there guys alright at times except for canelo.

but they seem to always pick the guy who's gonna show signs of brilliance then let everyone down in the end.

like which ones?

[Porter's Dad]

The Ortiz fight did fine~

They also got Mayweather-Ortiz which was a direct result of Berto-Ortiz.

All of which because they invested in Berto~

So I don't agree from a business standpoint because they got the big pay offs just in a round about way out of their investment. They might have "lost" a bit but not big especially amortized over the course of their investment

LMAO.

So the Andre Berto BAD years were justified because Ortiz fought Mayweather?

Someone shoot me.

[The Gambler1981]

LMAO.

So the Andre Berto BAD years were justified because Ortiz fought Mayweather?

Someone shoot me.

Whatever floats your boat do you~

However if you can't understand the point of what I said don't comment~