OFFICIAL NSB Al Haymon managed fighters thread. Discuss & Debate!

[illmaticfighter]

because he wasn't ranked at any other sanctioning body due to him being the champion so while in theory you could do that he would also have to

1. hear how he is ducking Rigo
2. get in line with another sanctioning body

be realistic please you know that what you stated about Ramos isn't an easy option but one to fit your arguement

and sorry but Austin is no more a prospect than Canelo period

no theory here fighters have done it tim bradley didn't vacate but was stripped!! after deciding not to face khan and wait on the pac fight.

he was criticized ect ect but he still made the right business decision(notice i said business not praising his decision) im sure al and his team did the same with ramos and decided it was a better decision than to take the fight rather than vacate or be stripped which is all im simply saying.

fighters don't fight for belts anymore they fight to make there names big enough to get the biggest fight out there.

should all fighters fight their mandos? sure, but does it happen often? no, it rarely does especially when they're as dangerous as rigondeax.

you should because both fights were risky tests for Garcia and IMO he might have lost the Theopane fight

exactly tests obviously he graded fine enough to be put in with khan my only point here.

see that's your personal opinion about him but what we have is the WBA champion looking to face other champions in his division

also of note you do realize that he has the same # of defenses as K9 right?

still make him a prospect lol and not ready for the likes of Cotto et al?

we will continue to disagree aslong as you use titles,mandos and title defenses to range a fighters current place in there careers it's impossible to determine that nowadays. because of how easy it is for a fighter to get a belt and how easy it is for a fighter to retain it.

because they should and going back to the original point if we're to criticize those who partake in this practice then we should also be willing to criticize Haymon for doing this as well

he is not above criticism

where did i state this he was above critism? all i did was take a list of his fighters and examine from my point of view of how he did with there careers so far i give him a A- or B+.

i think he makes them step up at the right time and as we see with garcia and jossito it's paying off.

who said he got lucky? I said Ramos got lucky but Garcia was throwing that hook throughout much like Martinez was throwing that counter left against PWill

my mistake i thought you were referring to garcia.

but that does not apply for all involved and you know that. You know that a lesser known guy such as Ramos cannot dictate being on the same playing fields as Hamed or JMM

in fact I also dont think JMM should have been given an easy belt against Fedchenko as he did squat at 140 to deserve it but because of his name the WBO was all too willing to give it to him and TR ate it up. That ****** IMO as well

from my point of view in the jmm vs hamed case hamed was the bigger name while jmm was the bigger threat which is why hamed didn't fight jmm.

ramos vs rigo case rigo bigger name and bigger threat it's a win win fight for ramos, my only argument here is that he had options like a lot of fighters chose which is to vacate or be stripped.

lol if you think these belts mean nothing then ask Ramos personally if that belt meant nothing

i doubt it means much to him now as he lost it but im sure he felt it legitimized his career but do you think him beating rigo or retaining his belt would've been better for his career?

and your eyes are deceiving you

question. How many actual fights of Trout have you seen? be honest

Quillin looked impressive against Winky who had been off three years you really want to tout that? prior to that he looked less than stellar against McEwan

also it looks like Quillin is getting another so-so fighter in Rubio so there goes your theory about him being put in risky

I never said quillin was being put in risky or anything just that he looked more impressive in a fight he was suppose to.

I've seen 3 of trout fights, let's just look at it this way with trout i'll bookmark this thread and you do the same whenever his next opponent is named we 'll then know whether al and his team thinks he's a prospect or a fighter in his prime ready for the top dogs. deal?????????

no but you did mention that we got the benefit of him fighting Ortiz

was it not a great fight ??????/it was, did it take to long for berto to face a opponent of ortiz's caliber. hell yes but the fight was a great fight with two quality fighters at the peak of there primes.

your biases do show with this but okay thats your opinion

you're biggest gripe seems to be with not the quality of opposition haymon fighters face but with the fact of how there getting these big fights without earning them ,am i correct?

well if i was you in this day n age of boxing i wouldn't let it bug me as long as were getting some good or great fights.

and you would be wrong with a few of them

that's your opinion.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Not PPV appearances. BAD appearances. And I'm all for fighters getting their paper, but not at the expense of the sport. Andre Berto was severely overpaid for hack fights. That money could have been used to market or showcase other fighters. I don't blame Berto at all. But Haymon and HBO ****ed up with that.

damn dude As an amateur, Berto won a bronze medal in the 2003 World Amateur Championships. He was also a two-time National Golden Gloves champion, a two-time National PAL champion, a three-time U.S. amateur championship medalist, and also won 22 state titles in Florida. He didnt deserve a fight on HBO???

[illmaticfighter]

but so does Top Rank and yet they probably get the harshest criticism out here now

not for how they build a fighter but because once there fighters become stars they basically place them in horrible and sometimes mismatches i.e donaire.

some people will scream floyd but the only fight imo he should've took was cotto after he beat mosley and floyd beat hatton.

after that the only guy he needs to fight but hasn't is manny that's it.

so you were pissed at Quillin fighting McEwan on HBO then?

how about Gary Russell facing Ruiz?

Broner facing Rodriguez?

never said the fights shouldn't have happened but on different networks.

i'd like for hbo to have fights like adamek vs chambers then the main event be haye vs chisora would've been a way better card than lasts weeks.

also quillin faced mcewan before being managed by haymon

i'd like for those types of fights with prospects to be on showtime ,that way the fighters are still being promoted but the biggest and best fights are getting showcased on the best network that's showcases boxing.

okay what about Williams vs Lara? how do you spin that one?

bad example, because even though everyone has paul losing that fight he still got the canelo fight. so let's say officially paul loses the lara does he not get the canelo fight? imo he still does.

a better example is alexander vs mattyshe don't see haymon rigging this one as alexander really hasn't fought anyone big except for maindana who isn't a star but if he lands a floyd fight then maybe your right.

like which ones?

ortiz and khan being the ones i think they are really disappointed in.

[The Big Dunn]

I understand perfectly well. You're reaching so bad to find a way to justify the BAD Berto years. The Berto star manufacturing experiment failed, simple as that. Him being exposed by Ortiz, who then got a Mayweather fight out of it does not mean it worked.



What the hell are you talking about?

I complained bitterly about Manny vs Shane/Margarito (not Clottey - and quite frankly, I'm not here to talk about that fight).

Now what?

What's funny about this whole situation is that black posters are paranoid that everyone hates Haymon cos of his colour. Yet, if there's anyone who brings this whole issue down to racial lines, it's these same posters.

The same posters who defend Broner skipping out of making weight are the same ones who defend Haymon.

What's that thing you whisper to each other?

"We all know what this is really about smh"

Yeah. The rest of us do as well.

Al Haymon - great for his fighters, bad for the sport. This is what it boils down to.

Then u are not who I am talking about. Again I ask what does haymon need defending for? Show me where I defended him or broner.

On fri therer were posters saying they coulkd never defend bronera$ ok but they defend margarito or ped users. Uhh that's a little unequal. They post broner is a classless punk because of the fake marriage proposal but defend fighters who cheat on their wivesm

Just be consistent with your hate and I'm good.

[-PBP-]

he manages Lara now, so that doesnt count

I didnt know he managed Alexander...hmmm

Alexander recently signed with Haymon. He wasn't with him for the Matthysse or Kotelnyk fights. People are just talking out of their a$$.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Alexander recently signed with Haymon. He wasn't with him for the Matthysse or Kotelnyk fights. People are just talking out of their a$$.

yes I didnt think so...Alexander got signed in April

[Atreyu Khalil]

RIP Vernon Forrest (the 1st fighter Al Haymon managed in the sport of boxing)

[-PBP-]

Broner/Deleon
Williams/Lara
Alexander/Matttyse

OMG....Why don't people get their facts straight before posting about stuff they don't know shyt about?

Alexander wasn't even with Haymon when he fought Matthyse or Kotelnyk.

So you make a statement that Al Haymon fixes matches for his fighters, and come up with two fights, one of which was a close/sloppy fight that went to the undefeated prospect which is nothing unusual.

[Frank Ducketts]

Guys, disregard bigots like Garcias Dad, and any other bigot that you run into. Non Stop Boxing will become a better place to visit. When you ignore these cry babies who attempt to only get a rise out of you......they have no choice but to change their game.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Shawn Porter & Keith Thurman = Al Haymon fighters