Comments Thread For: Ariza: "Manny cant fight anyone not promoted by Bob"

[The Gambler1981]

According to that math, it should be 55/45.


What people do not realize, however, is that there are other revenue flows:

Sponsorships.
Rebroadcast rights
Foreign rights.
Site fee.
Merchandising.

For example, Floyd gets a pretty good fee for foreign rights because his fights sell well in the UK. Meanwhile, Manny's fights are given away almost for free in his native Philippines.

Let's say that Manny accepted the flat $40 Mn, he could still make a buttload more in private sponsorships and in merchandising.

Floyd already makes money on his godawful t-shirts (who BUYS those?)

I have always maintained that the split should be close to 60/40 May/Pac.

Look at Cotto as a common opponent:

Floyd: $94 Mn ppv - 57%
Manny: $70 Mn ppv - 43%


Floyd: $12.0 Mn gate - 58%
Manny: $8.8 Mn gate - 42%

I was just doing it quick and simple there is certainly more revenue. I honestly didn't intend on posting that because it was a responce to somebody I didn't want to talk conversate with but I had copied it just in case and hadn't turned off this comp since I copied it a day or two ago. It seemed like a good thread for that work to randomly appear.

I would say those numbers say 57.5/42.5. 40 million isn't that far out there as a first offer which was my main point not even taking into account the Cotto fight, and I am sure Manny could get Floyd to come up a bit if there was serious talk.

[Gino Ros]

Side note:

Floyd has $20 million liquid sitting around to wire to Manny within 48 hours?

[Gino Ros]

I was just doing it quick and simple there is certainly more revenue. I honestly didn't intend on posting this because it was a responce to somebody I didn't want to talk conversate with but I had copied it just in case and hadn't turned off this comp since I copied it a day or two ago. It seemed like a good thread for that work to randomly appear.

I would say those numbers say 57.5/42.5. 40 million isn't that far out there as a first offer, I am sure Manny could get Floyd to come up a bit if there was serious talk.

I know that the $40 million offer sounds ridiculous to most people. And, in truth, it is low.

But what that $40 million (with $20 Mn UPFRONT) does is indemnify Manny of any risks.

I see everybody talking about how this fight will do 3 million buys. Or 4 million buys. I am not a believer in that. There is a classical inflection point. A point of diminishing returns.

Instead of 4 million buys, I think what you get is 3 million buys with greater per-household viewership.

That is what I noticed the night of The World Awaits. Usually, my fight parties have 10-15. That night, it was 30.

People won't buy. They will go to parties which limits the number of unit-buys.

Last week, I drove past a bar where cats were standing OUTSIDE looking at the fight through the window.

Maybe the right number for Manny is $50 million fixed. Or $55 million.

But I don't think it is a ridiculous decision for Manny to remove himself from the PPV risk. They simply need to build a forecasting model and do the math.

I know this: Haymon is smarter than Koncz.

[maguirre]

What a lucky guy Floyd is. He fights once a year. He's not exactly what you call an exciting fighter in the ring. He's been denying fans what they want to see. In other words, he's barely giving back in return for the kind of money he's been getting. YET here are complete strangers ready to defend him, won't make a single cent out of it, fighting tooth and nail to give astronomical sums of money he doesn't even deserve. I've never seen anything like it.

[The Gambler1981]

I know that the $40 million offer sounds ridiculous to most people. And, in truth, it is low.

But what that $40 million (with $20 Mn UPFRONT) does is indemnify Manny of any risks.

I see everybody talking about how this fight will do 3 million buys. Or 4 million buys. I am not a believer in that. There is a classical inflection point. A point of diminishing returns.

Instead of 4 million buys, I think what you get is 3 million buys with greater per-household viewership.

That is what I noticed the night of The World Awaits. Usually, my fight parties have 10-15. That night, it was 30.

People won't buy. They will go to parties which limits the number of unit-buys.

Last week, I drove past a bar where cats were standing OUTSIDE looking at the fight through the window.

Maybe the right number for Manny is $50 million fixed. Or $55 million.

But I don't think it is a ridiculous decision for Manny to remove himself from the PPV risk. They simply need to build a forecasting model and do the math.

I know this: Haymon is smarter than Koncz.

Haymon might be smarter than Arum but it would be real close prime for prime and Arum has probably lost a step.

I don't know what number is reasonable, to me 3 million would be very top end anything more than that would be very surprising.

Yea 40 million is a low ball offer, and Manny should refuse that because no one should ever accept a first offer which that essentially was but people make it out to be insulting when it could have kick started real talk.


Instead it just sent that side into a tizzy allowing them to throw blame arond, although it could have been Floyd's game to insult them but why call Manny directly to do that.

[NearHypnos]

We all know it's Arum but people keep basing things off what PAC says, which differ from what Arum says. It doesn't matter if Floyd is selling/making a lot more on the days he DOES fight, but Pac should get his just dues as well. But look at it from Floyds point of view...why give Arum more money when he isn't needed? If it was Pac directly things would be MUCH different imo. Arum is making the best business decision for himself ehich you can't fault him for..business over being a fan..but because he isnt needed, it makes no sense to the other party.

I wish Pac was alone...

[NearHypnos]

EDIT.

This was an accidental phone double post. Sorry bros

[al-Xander]

You guys will lose interest in boxing once Pac retires. About 95% of the Floyd hate on the internet comes from one country. If Pacquiao were a ping pong player, you guys wouldn't even be here in this forum.

I started as a Roach/Khan fan. I'm posting from N. America. People clown Floyd because of Floyd. Not all of those people who dislike Floyd come from Pacman's country like you're saying here. That's shallow man. People dislike Floyd because of Floyd and his fanboys. You don't have to come from Pacman's country to dislike Floyd. He's a clown.

[Gino Ros]

Haymon might be smarter than Arum but it would be real close prime for prime and Arum has probably lost a step.

I don't know what number is reasonable, to me 3 million would be very top end anything more than that would be very surprising.

Yea 40 million is a low ball offer, and Manny should refuse that because no one should ever accept a first offer which that essentially was but people make it out to be insulting when it could have kick started real talk.


Instead it just sent that side into a tizzy allowing them to throw blame arond, although it could have been Floyd's game to insult them but why call Manny directly to do that.

It was supposed to kick off negotiation. But Manny (it appears) took it as an insult and (to hear PBF tell it)wasn't about to counter or discuss.

At this point, it doesn't seem incumbent on Floyd to call and make another offer. An offer was made to Manny, and Manny should counter.

Now, if Manny counters with 50/50 (or if he did) that's fine.

If I were Floyd, i would be content at 60/40, I would take 57/43 at a minimum, and I would BEGRUDGINGLY accept 55/45 if I were otherwise in a pickle, or had some outside motivation.

I would not accept less than 55%. The numbers do not support me giving up 50%.

I say Haymon is smarter than Arum because he sees moves ahead that Arum doesn't. Showtime was a mistake. Texas was a mistake.

[The Gambler1981]

It was supposed to kick off negotiation. But Manny (it appears) took it as an insult and (to hear PBF tell it)wasn't about to counter or discuss.

At this point, it doesn't seem incumbent on Floyd to call and make another offer. An offer was made to Manny, and Manny should counter.

Now, if Manny counters with 50/50 (or if he did) that's fine.

If I were Floyd, i would be content at 60/40, I would take 57/43 at a minimum, and I would BEGRUDGINGLY accept 55/45 if I were otherwise in a pickle, or had some outside motivation.

I would not accept ledss than 55%. The numbers do not support me giving up 50%.

I say Haymon is smarter than Arum because he sees moves ahead that Arum doesn't. Showtime was a mistake. Texas was a mistake.

When it comes to Floyd and the Manny situation Haymon got the better of Arum at every turn. Still Arum is pretty smart and uses his big advantage a willingness to act out while Haymon doesn't talk, somebody talking will get someone to believe.

The rest I pretty much agree on and can't really say more.