Comments Thread For: Ariza: "Manny cant fight anyone not promoted by Bob"

[I Love Jesus!]

Wow lots of accounting majors on NSB. STFU about who makes what. You want to see the fight in the ring or at the bank? Quit **** licking these guys. Worry about your own money.

[crold1]

The thing is Floyd generates more revenue because he charges more, revenue means more than sales numbers. I can't hold against Floyd Manny's poor performances, I know Arum would hold those over Floyd if the situation was reversed.

I could have skeewed it way more going back to Oscar for both and including the Cotto early numbers, but that isn't even needed to make my point.

Manny does have more numbers though but really he has been pretty consistant the last 3 years. I would say Floyd argument was worse in 2010, and I think he was in a much worse bargaining position on a personal level.

Floyd doesn't charge more for HD. They both charge the same recently (at least on my cable). He generates more at the gate, allegedly, but in Vegas where one doesn't buy tickets normally. And Floyd tied Manny for million-buy fights with Cotto at 5. His overall numbers are higher, but that's absurd.

Bottom line for me: there has never been a fight in the PPV era between two consistent cash juggernauts. Holyfield-Tyson could be argued, but Holyfield hadn't done numbers like that in YEARS before Tyson and was percieved way on the downside so he had no leverage (and even then Mike had just done 3 straight PPV's over a milli while Holy had done two his whole career).

Anyone who would take less than 50% for their side should be fired.

[brick wall]

Averages are the only way, that takes into account varying level of opposition.

40 million is not 0~ if they split 100 million which would be way more than the biggest fight in history that would that would be 40%, if the fight does much more than 100 then Manny gets screwed because he should take advantage of such a scenario, I would think that could be worked out though.

Does that 40 million come out of thin air, no it comes out of revenue created by the fight before they even start splitting stuff up.

i'm talking about the ppv upside. 40 million is just a guarantee for floyd but it's the ceiling for pac...that's what floyd wants to happen. and this fight is not just a $100 million total purse for both. i would think that they could split as much as $150 million...110-40 if we go by floyd's offer.

[The Gambler1981]

Floyd doesn't charge more for HD. They both charge the same recently (at least on my cable). He generates more at the gate, allegedly, but in Vegas where one doesn't buy tickets normally. And Floyd tied Manny for million-buy fights with Cotto at 5. His overall numbers are higher, but that's absurd.

Bottom line for me: there has never been a fight in the PPV era between two consistent cash juggernauts. Holyfield-Tyson could be argued, but Holyfield hadn't done numbers like that in YEARS before Tyson and was percieved way on the downside so he had no leverage (and even then Mike had just done 3 straight PPV's over a milli while Holy had done two his whole career).

Anyone who would take less than 50% for their side should be fired.

Floyd fight was 70/60 for me and Manny fight is 65/55. Floyd-Ortiz was 70/60 also.

They are clear 1 and 2, at a point in 2010 they were 1a and 1b to me anyways. Manny is a huge seller no doubt.

I feel that both sides should fight for what they think they are worth and try to get every dime possible, I just think Floyd has a good argument statistically speaking. That might not be able to get the fight made though.

It really comes down to are they willing to sacrifice real dollars for percentage points either way, those points are worth a lot but they really mean little with no fight.

[The Gambler1981]

i'm talking about the ppv upside. 40 million is just a guarantee for floyd but it's the ceiling for pac...that's what floyd wants to happen. and this fight is not just a $100 million total purse for both. i would think that they could split as much as $150 million...110-40 if we go by floyd's offer.

Well 150 would be double what Oscar and Floyd split, it could happen but that would be an immense number. Really they should be able to find a way to agree if such a scenario takes place to make everyone happy.

Manny should get upside, why would he promote the fight at all if he gains nothing from it's success.

[brick wall]

Well 150 would be double what Oscar and Floyd split, it could happen but that would be an immense number. Really they should be able to find a way to agree if such a scenario takes place to make everyone happy.

Manny should get upside, why would he promote the fight at all if he gains nothing from it's success.

PPVs were only $50 back then...for floyd-pac they will most likely price it at $75. ticket prices will also be higher as well as international rights, close circuits, sponsorships, etc...not to mention it has the potential to break the ppv record that oscar-floyd set.

[crold1]

Well 150 would be double what Oscar and Floyd split, it could happen but that would be an immense number. Really they should be able to find a way to agree if such a scenario takes place to make everyone happy.

Manny should get upside, why would he promote the fight at all if he gains nothing from it's success.

150 on on the split, PPV alone, assumes more than a 2 million buy minimum, all at $70 HD and without factoring that cable takes roughly 50% (sometimes up to a ceiling). I think this fight had a shot at 3 million buys in 2010; still might but they blew some goodwill. Not enough to stop it from being the biggest ever barring a loss by one but 3 mill is the wow # they might have missed.

The site fee would be sick and have to be.

[Mayabang]

Floyd fight was 70/60 for me and Manny fight is 65/55.

They are clear 1 and 2, at a point in 2010 they were 1a and 1b to me anyways. Manny is a huge seller no doubt.

I feel that both sides should fight for what they think they are worth and try to get every dime possible, I just think Floyd has a good argument statistically speaking. That might not be able to get the fight made though.

It really comes down to are they will to sacrifice real dollars for percentage points either way, those points are worth a lot but they really mean little with no fight.

I really, TRULY, believe that Manny is WILLING to get paid less, I really do. The exchange rate of dollars to pesos is HUUUUGE. Manny can get less than Floyd in dollars but Manny's dollars will have more value in the Philippines than Floyd does in the US. So to me, I really believe that Manny has no problem with this since it WILL be his biggest payday.

NOW, with that said, can we all just agree that it is ARUM who needs the 50/50 and not Manny? This really isn't rocket science. So the people here who really believes Manny is the one wanting 50/50 really doesn't know much. Manny may say he wants 50/50 but I'm pretty sure he's speaking for himself AND Arum. Manny said he was willing to take less, and I truly believe he would, but Manny spoke too soon without talking to Arum. Manny was speaking for himself when he said he's willing to take less, but he was speaking for him & Arum when he says 50/50. Manny knows that either way, he will still get less than Floyd, BUT convert those dollars to pesos, I don't see why Manny would care.

Plus, with all these drama with Floyd, I really believe Floyd just doesn't want Arum to get any piece of the pie for this megafight. Any reasonable person here would understand that it is never about not giving Pac what he's worth, but all about not giving Arum anything.

Now the problem with both Floyd and Manny is that both of them are not the most articulate individuals in sports, so they end up sounding like dummies whenever they open their mouth.

[DeadLikeMe]

Total exposure.

And Manny is too blind to see this. Arum is gonna make Manny fire Ariza and then have him murdered.

Seriously man. This is a boxing promoter he is picking a fight with. Maybe go slap a Russian mob boss or pop a couple off at the leader of a drug cartel if you're feeling bold. Ariza is going to end up in the bottom of a lake talking like this

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Seriously man. This is a boxing promoter he is picking a fight with. Maybe go slap a Russian mob boss or pop a couple off at the leader of a drug cartel if you're feeling bold. Ariza is going to end up in the bottom of a lake talking like this

Ariza was mouthin off about Arum months ago. I dont know why this has got people's vaginas so wet again. It happened last time, Ariza said he was gonna "expose" Arum which got the Floyd worshippers all moist before he backed down.

There really is not a lot to see here.