Comments Thread For: Ariza: "Manny cant fight anyone not promoted by Bob"

[The Gambler1981]

oh so this is the post big dunn is talking about...well it is ******.

while it's true that 15% of 100 million is 15 million, the 65 and 35 million doesn't make sense at all. 65 less 35 = 30 million which is 30% of 100 million.

a 15% difference in a 100 million total purse should be 57.5 million to 42.5 million.

That is true you could do it that way also.

IF those numbers are true I would expect Floyd's team to say what I said and Arum's team to say what you just said. Could split the difference and come to 60/40 also, which would be real negotiating.

[Phix]

I just hope we see the day that Pac escapes Arums clutches and gets this Mayweather fight popping.. Arum got Pac under his spell tho.. Pac doesnt have a clue that Arum dont really give a *****t about him, he views the guy as a father figure.. the devil comes in many forms.. yall religious b!tches better pray for his a$$..

[DeadLikeMe]

I just hope we see the day that Pac escapes Arums clutches and gets this Mayweather fight popping.. Arum got Pac under his spell tho.. Pac doesnt have a clue that Arum dont really give a *****t about him, he views the guy as a father figure.. the devil comes in many forms.. yall religious b!tches better pray for his a$$..

They have national prayer for Pacquiao the day after he fights...seriously. Trust me he got prayers.

[brick wall]

That is true you could do it that way also.

IF those numbers are true I would expect Floyd's team to say what I said and Arum's team to say what you just said. Could split the difference and come to 60/40 also, which would be real negotiating.

that is the only way to do it if you wanna be sensible.

there's more to those ppv numbers than just a simple average. like what i've been saying, you have to take into consideration the kind of drawing power of their opponents as well as the quality of undercards.

floyd is slightly the bigger draw alright but i don't see a 60-40 in his favor. pac has already agreed to a smaller guarantee and propose 45-45-10 for the upside. floyd has not budge with his 100-0 stand...go figure.

[letsgobrady]

everyone keeps talking about the split of the money but team pac never agreed to fight on may 5th so what difference does it make?

[crold1]

Adding numbers together then dividing by the numbers of total fights for each~

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...549315&page=54

That table, which you could certainly dispute some but it is close enough I would say it is within 3% either way.

The problem with doing any sort of cumulative total is that it doesn't reflect the reality of the last few years accurately. Mayweather and Pacquiao, since 2009, have done near mirroring numbers. Take away the underpromoted appearance PPV's (Pacquiao-Larios and Pacquiao-Solis; Top Rank never put Floyd on shows like this) and the cumulative gap is smaller too. Floyd is still ahead, but not by as much and certainly not by much in the last 3 years.

Floyd had an eons better argument for higher than 50% in 2010 than he does now (and, reportedly, that wasn't an issue then).

[crold1]

http://fighthype.com/news/article12413.html



Links to all the tweets in the article.

Given that Sechback has a video with Ariza saying the same a few feet from Pacquiao, it's worth wondering if Ariza is being used as a proxy for Pacquiao beefing at Arum.

[The Gambler1981]

that is the only way to do it if you wanna be sensible.

there's more to those ppv numbers than just a simple average. like what i've been saying, you have to take into consideration the kind of drawing power of their opponents as well as the quality of undercards.

floyd is slightly the bigger draw alright but i don't see a 60-40 in his favor. pac has already agreed to a smaller guarantee and propose 45-45-10 for the upside. floyd has not budge with his 100-0 stand...go figure.

Averages are the only way, that takes into account varying level of opposition.

40 million is not 0~ if they split 100 million which would be way more than the biggest fight in history that would that would be 40%, if the fight does much more than 100 then Manny gets screwed because he should take advantage of such a scenario, I would think that could be worked out though.

Does that 40 million come out of thin air, no it comes out of revenue created by the fight before they even start splitting stuff up.

[The Gambler1981]

The problem with doing any sort of cumulative total is that it doesn't reflect the reality of the last few years accurately. Mayweather and Pacquiao, since 2009, have done near mirroring numbers. Take away the underpromoted appearance PPV's (Pacquiao-Larios and Pacquiao-Solis; Top Rank never put Floyd on shows like this) and the cumulative gap is smaller too. Floyd is still ahead, but not by as much and certainly not by much in the last 3 years.

Floyd had an eons better argument for higher than 50% in 2010 than he does now (and, reportedly, that wasn't an issue then).

The thing is Floyd generates more revenue because he charges more, revenue means more than sales numbers. I can't hold against Floyd Manny's poor performances, I know Arum would hold those over Floyd if the situation was reversed.

I could have skeewed it way more going back to Oscar for both and including the Cotto early numbers, but that isn't even needed to make my point.

Manny does have more numbers though but really he has been pretty consistant the last 3 years. I would say Floyd argument was worse in 2010, and I think he was in a much worse bargaining position on a personal level.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Total exposure.

And Manny is too blind to see this. Arum is gonna make Manny fire Ariza and then have him murdered.