Floyd is 2 fights away from being All Time PPV King & has been in less PPVs than DLH!

[-Spinal-]

Lol there's no inflation. Substituting black boxes is now illegal streams. There's still 20-30 people watching one tv, there's bars that are packed nowadays with people watching PPV's. If anything, the numbers from now would be much bigger if it wasn't for the internet and that 10-20$ increase in PPV.


Black boxes=illegal streams.


Actually, illegal streams hurt PPV's much more than the illegal cable boxes.

[crold1]

Ok thanks for explaining that for me. I never thought of that and it is a very good point. Having the black boxes definitely makes the fights easier to buy. There is still a huge difference in the price of the ppv today from back then, how is that explained though? PPVs are about 25 dollars more now.

I know Manny does huge numbers and I expect him to come close to Tyson and Holyfield but I didn't bring him up because the thread wasn't about him.

I bring up Manny because what's being done in #'s really isn't singular. It's a remarkable twosome.

[TheHayeMaker]

EXACTLY why hasn't any of Oscar's other opponents became the stars Floyd and Manny have become?

That is because Floyd and Manny are superstars in there own right.

I didn't know guys like Ortiz and Clottey are now superstars

[crold1]

EXACTLY why hasn't any of Oscar's other opponents became the stars Floyd and Manny have become?

That is because Floyd and Manny are superstars in there own right.

Many did become bigger, if to varying levels. Trinidad went from nowhere to a 500's guy for most of the rest of his career. Hopkins became at least a mid-level PPV draw for his big fights. Big stars always get bigger off the stars in front of them. They might not 'make' them but they are a platform.

[jayjames616]

I didn't know guys like Ortiz and Clottey are now superstars

Because they aren't that good. Floyd and Manny are stars because they are VERY good and have what their audience wants plain and simple.

[crold1]

I didn't know guys like Ortiz and Clottey are now superstars

Yeah, because when you get the big fight and ish the bed, you get the rub?

This sort of explains itself.

[jayjames616]

Many did become bigger, if to varying levels. Trinidad went from nowhere to a 500's guy for most of the rest of his career. Hopkins became at least a mid-level PPV draw for his big fights. Big stars always get bigger off the stars in front of them. They might not 'make' them but they are a platform.

Yet Floyd and Manny are on a totally different level then those guys. Those guys do mid level #s and Floyd and Manny do superstar #s.

[crold1]

Yet Floyd and Manny are on a totally different level then those guys. Those guys do mid level #s and Floyd and Manny do superstar #s.

And they'll both go down as significantly historically greater than Oscar in the ring. That's a factor. They didn't just get his star rub...they're better fighters and more compelling. Oscar never really recovered the momentum he had going after he gave away the Trinidad fight and got outhustled by Mosley the first time. He was still HUGE, but he never really got bigger than he was in the late 90s and never shook the label of a guy who couldn't quite be as good in the ring as he was at the box office.

[check hook]

1. You have to adjust revenue for inflation.

2. Tyson is the greatest draw the sport has ever seen. He sold a million fighting tomato cans.

[jayjames616]

And they'll both go down as significantly historically greater than Oscar in the ring. That's a factor. They didn't just get his star rub...they're better fighters and more compelling. Oscar never really recovered the momentum he had going after he gave away the Trinidad fight and got outhustled by Mosley the first time. He was still HUGE, but he never really got bigger than he was in the late 90s and never shook the label of a guy who couldn't quite be as good in the ring as he was at the box office.

I agree with that