Floyd is 2 fights away from being All Time PPV King & has been in less PPVs than DLH!

[Larry the boss]

thats down right impressive

[crold1]

Oscar made Floyd and Pacquiao PPV attractions

The same way fighting Chavez (which would have been a PPV monster if they hadn't ******ly done CCTV) and Pea took Oscar into the stratosphere. Got to have the guys to fight to get there.

What May and Pac have done off their Oscar fights is absurd. There have never been two draws like this below Heavyweight at the same time. Mayweather just tied Pac for million buy shows and probably passes him next fight (Pac-Bradley doing a milli could be tough). I understand the argument about what the market was in the 90s, but you still have to have people pay.

Wicked stuff.

[TheHayeMaker]

Floyd has it easy. He didn't have to compete with 4-5 BIG ppvs a year, and back then they didn't have the promoting and marketing tools tools they have now.

Floyd may make the most money, and sell the most PPV but he'll never be a bigger star than Tyson.

I don't wanna make a troll bait thread, but the real question and this is a good one will be

CAN FLOYD still be as big of a star as he is now in an era where there is
Tyson-Holyfield-Oscar-Trinidad-. all taking a piece of the cake

Even the likes of Lewis Prime Mosley were taking a piece of the spot light

now there is literally nobody to share it with other then pac so of course floyd is the king

[TheHayeMaker]

The same way fighting Chavez (which would have been a PPV monster if they hadn't ******ly done CCTV) and Pea took Oscar into the stratosphere. Got to have the guys to fight to get there.

What May and Pac have done off their Oscar fights is absurd. There have never been two draws like this below Heavyweight at the same time. Mayweather just tied Pac for million buy shows and probably passes him next fight (Pac-Bradley doing a milli could be tough). I understand the argument about what the market was in the 90s, but you still have to have people pay.

Wicked stuff.

I'm sorry bro, good post but you are wrong about Chavez and Pea making Oscar the star he was. Oscar was destinied to become a super duper uber hudukae mortal kombat star, you didn't have to 'help' Oscar become a star you just had to grab on to his **** and aim for the Heavens brah

[Larry the boss]

the people trying to say it aint **** answer me this......why is not 1 else doing those numbers

[crold1]

I don't wanna make a troll bait thread, but the real question and this is a good one will be

CAN FLOYD still be as big of a star as he is now in an era where there is
Tyson-Holyfield-Oscar-Trinidad-. all taking a piece of the cake

Even the likes of Lewis Prime Mosley were taking a piece of the spot light

now there is literally nobody to share it with other then pac so of course floyd is the king

Yes he could...because he would likely have beaten Oscar and Tito and has ten times more personality than either. Love him or hate him, people pay to see winners. He's become a bigger star than Oscar was at his peak in terms of crossover and he closes in a way Oscar couldn't always do.

The better question: what if Floyd hadn't been dramatically misrepresented for YEARS. When he went brash in the early 2000's and started screaming for attention, he got pilloried in the press and often thrown under the bus by Top Rank.

I don't think the evidence suggests they EVER thought he could be the man and they had no clue how to market him. He did and more power to him.

[jayjames616]

This is directed at you and larry..

You guys know how PPV inflated right? Please you guys must know. In other words a Prime Oscar or Prime Tyson now can easily do 2-3 million for big fights.

Tyson did 1 million for Mcneeley for Christ Sake. A Prime Tyson vs Wlad in today's PPV era will do 5million.

So overall Oscar's PPV numbers were much more impressive.

I'm a huge Fan of Floyd's but let's not ****ing pretend Floyd was anything other then a no name before Oscar. He was a mega skilled fighter before Oscar but he was begging Gatti for paydays ok.

Oscar made Floyd. He made Pacquaio too

Once again not saying Floyd is not an ATG or that he is not the current cash GOD

But Oscar didn't need Floyd, Floyd needed Oscar. it is what it is

Oscar also made Pacquiao.

from the other thread...

I agree that Oscar is the PPV king currently but what Floyd is doing now is undeniable. I don't care what anybody says De la hoya and Mayweather did those record numbers together. It takes two to create a super fight. Without Mayweather Oscar's highest PPV is 1.4 for the Trinidad fight but with Floyd he does 1 million more buys. C'mon now he did 1 million more buys with Floyd. Floyd definitely deserves some credit especially how he played the bad guy roll during 24/7 and the press tour.

I don't understand the inflation that you guys are talking about, if you don't mind can someone explain it? But I do know that PPV's costs much more money today then they did for most of Oscar, Tyson and Holyfield's career so wouldn't that make it harder to sell PPV's. Yes I do know that they didn't have 24/7 and the show definitely helps but PPV is $70 now.

It's looking like Floyd will surpass everyone in far less fights than it took for them to get the numbers they got. No matter how you try to down play what he is doing, these #'s are just undeniable.

[crold1]

I'm sorry bro, good post but you are wrong about Chavez and Pea making Oscar the star he was. Oscar was destinied to become a super duper uber hudukae mortal kombat star, you didn't have to 'help' Oscar become a star you just had to grab on to his **** and aim for the Heavens brah

His PPV numbers more than doubled overnight with Chavez and Pea. His fight with Pea was the biggest non-heavy ever at that time (after Pea-Chavez was the same a few years earlier). They were his bridge to the next level. Mayweather and Pac used Oscar as a similar bridge (and I think we now know in retrospect Mayweather was a HUGE part of doubling Oscar's biggest number in one night). Of course Oscar was going to be huge no matter what. Doesn't mitigate the huge impact those two had on building the star.

[crold1]

I agree that Oscar is the PPV king currently but what Floyd is doing now is undeniable. I don't care what anybody says De la hoya and Mayweather did those record numbers together. It takes two to create a super fight. Without Mayweather Oscar's highest PPV is 1.4 for the Trinidad fight but with Floyd he does 1 million more buys. C'mon now he did 1 million more buys with Floyd. Floyd definitely deserves some credit especially how he played the bad guy roll during 24/7 and the press tour.

I don't understand the inflation that you guys are talking about, if you don't mind can someone explain it? But I do know that PPV's costs much more money today then they did for most of Oscar, Tyson and Holyfield's career so wouldn't that make it harder to sell PPV's. Yes I do know that they didn't have 24/7 and the show definitely helps but PPV is $70 now.

It's looking like Floyd will surpass everyone in far less fights than it took for them to get the numbers they got. No matter how you try to down play what he is doing, these #'s are just undeniable.

Keeping it simple, the inflation is because you don't have black boxes.

And it's not just Floyd. Manny is off the charts as well. If they ever fight, it will be the first time two guys with this level of consistent million buy track records have ever fought. Holyfield had only done it twice before Mike, and that includes all the Bowe fights (none of which hit that level).

It's also part of why they might not ever fight. enjoy this...we may never see two cash cows in the PPV era share the stage like this again.

[TheHayeMaker]

the people trying to say it aint **** answer me this......why is not 1 else doing those numbers

The only real way of seeing if FLoyd is a megastar is put him on free tv. and see how he compares
1- in the US to NBA and NFL Playoff numbers

and

2- Around the world and see how he compares to Manchester United Chelsea Champions League Finals etc numbers


When you are only 1 of maybe 3-4 legitimiate stars in boxing it's easy to look good in PPV when there's literally nothing else.

Say in the 90's you dont wanna buy a Oscar Fight not when a lewis-holyfield showdown is coming up etc.

You don't wanna buy a Tito fight because a Oscar Mosley showdown is coming up and that's more attractive to you

Now it's like If you dont buy a cotto Floyd fight, what else is there?

YOU GONNA GO ****ING WATCH MIKKEL KESSLER VS GREEN BRAH?
(that btw will be a good fight )