Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

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I think Roy was beatable in his prime, Montell Griffin showed that he could be outboxed with the right gameplan.

Once again, I don't buy into this logic that Roy went from a great to 'shot' in a matter of a few months.

You are entitled to your own opinion

You mean Montell Griffin that Roy knock out in the first round ?,the only reason why he lost the first was because of hitting Montell Griffin while he had his hands on the canvas.

I dont know why you insist on this pedantic rambling, people have given you one well grounded and logical reason after another to why Roy started to losing at age 36.

You have made up your mind

[SergioMaravilla]

You are entitled to your own opinion

You mean Montell Griffin that Roy knock out in the first round ?,the only reason why he lost the first was because of hitting Montell Griffin while he had his hands on the canvas.

I dont know why you insist on this pedantic rambling, people have given you one well grounded and logical reason after another to why Roy started to losing at age 36.

You have made up your mind

Hi there, I'm merely discussing an interesting topic. Roy was getting outboxed, and was down on one judges and many fans scorecards at the time he got DQ'd. Remember, he KD'd Griffin in round 7, and Griffin got up to go on a dominate round 8. Griffin still had the composure to take a knee and buy himself time in round 9, he may well have gone on to win that fight on the scorecards.

It seems you have made up your mind also.

[IMDAZED]

I think Roy was beatable in his prime, Montell Griffin showed that he could be outboxed with the right gameplan.

Once again, I don't buy into this logic that Roy went from a great to 'shot' in a matter of a few months.

Who said he did? It was gradual, over time.

[BoxingGenius27]

Hi there, I'm merely discussing an interesting topic. Roy was getting outboxed, and was down on one judges and many fans scorecards at the time he got DQ'd. Remember, he KD'd Griffin in round 7, and Griffin got up to go on a dominate round 8. Griffin still had the composure to take a knee and buy himself time in round 9, he may well have gone on to win that fight on the scorecards.

It seems you have made up your mind also.

Roy was winning the fight at the time of the stoppage.

Do you realize that this was Roy's first competitive fight of his ENTIRE career?

A fight that he was winning and on his way to knocking out his opponent?

Now we have to sit here and listen to you harp on it.

[BoxingGenius27]

Roy Jones went from 1989 - 2004 with 2 competitive fights:

1. Griffin

2. Tarver I

We're talking about "competitive", not fights that Roy actually lost or was DQ'd, but just competitive.

Roy didn't take any vacations or retirements, but fought everyone that was available to him. Everyone except Dariusz who was living the compfortable life in Europe, and we have to listen to silly threads like these from fans who obviously weren't present at the time, but refer to boxrec.

[SergioMaravilla]

Who said he did? It was gradual, over time.

People who state that he was shot when he went from the Ruiz fight to the first Tarver are being ridiculous. You don't go from prime (or close to prime) to shot in a matter of 5 months.

Roy was winning the fight at the time of the stoppage.

Do you realize that this was Roy's first competitive fight of his ENTIRE career?

A fight that he was winning and on his way to knocking out his opponent?

Now we have to sit here and listen to you harp on it.

He was also down on one judges scorecards, Griffin had a great chance of winning that fight, he showed how Roy could be outboxed. What's important, is that Griffin was a novice with no great LHW wins (don't say Toney who was not a great LHW, he lost to a club fighter at this weight), and didn't accomplish much afterwards. I just observed that when Roy stepped up and fought Tarver, who was a better fighter than the Fraziers and Kellys, he struggled in the first fight, then got stopped in the rematch. Tarver genuinely believed he could beat Roy, how many of Roy's opponent had that kind of disdain and lack of respect for Roy going into a fight? Tarver showed he belonged in the ring with Roy in that trilogy

Roy Jones went from 1989 - 2004 with 2 competitive fights:

1. Griffin

2. Tarver I

We're talking about "competitive", not fights that Roy actually lost or was DQ'd, but just competitive.

Roy didn't take any vacations or retirements, but fought everyone that was available to him. Everyone except Dariusz who was living the compfortable life in Europe, and we have to listen to silly threads like these from fans who obviously weren't present at the time, but refer to boxrec.

Then Roy got stopped in the rematch, fair an square.

Dariusz was the lineal champion, and had a claim to all of Roy's belts. Roy Jones' PPV numbers were terrible, whilst DM was selling out soccer stadiums in Germany, so Roy should have travelled. Dariusz was even willing to come to America.

I have to disagree that Roy was willing to fight everyone, the likes of Eubank, Collins, Benn, Mclellan and Nunn were desperate to fight Jones. Also, Calzaghe often made clear he wanted to fight Jones and Hopkins wanted a rematch.


Have a read of this

http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/columns/graham/1230263.html

[BoxingGenius27]

People who state that he was shot when he went from the Ruiz fight to the first Tarver are being ridiculous. You don't go from prime (or close to prime) to shot in a matter of 5 months.






He was also down on one judges scorecards, Griffin had a great chance of winning that fight, he showed how Roy could be outboxed. What's important, is that Griffin was a novice with no great LHW wins (don't say Toney who was not a great LHW, he lost to a club fighter at this weight), and didn't accomplish much afterwards. I just observed that when Roy stepped up and fought Tarver, who was a better fighter than the Fraziers and Kellys, he struggled in the first fight, then got stopped in the rematch. Tarver genuinely believed he could beat Roy, how many of Roy's opponent had that kind of disdain and lack of respect for Roy going into a fight? Tarver showed he belonged in the ring with Roy in that trilogy

Whoopty due! Roy was losing on 1 judges scorecard. Why are you harping on that? Because that was the first time ROy was EVER in a competitive fight?

Read my lips: Roy was winning the fight at the time of the stoppage. FACT!


Stepped up and fought Tarver???

How can you say Toney wasn't all that and Griffin wasn't all that, but say someone stepped up and fought Antonio Tarver? Listen to yourself.

If Roy beat Tarver in the 2nd fight, we'd be here listening to you hype up the next guy that would've beat Roy in 2006.

[SergioMaravilla]

Whoopty due! Roy was losing on 1 judges scorecard. Why are you harping on that? Because that was the first time ROy was EVER in a competitive fight?

Read my lips: Roy was winning the fight at the time of the stoppage. FACT!


Stepped up and fought Tarver???

How can you say Toney wasn't all that and Griffin wasn't all that, but say someone stepped up and fought Antonio Tarver? Listen to yourself.

If Roy beat Tarver in the 2nd fight, we'd be hear listening to you hype up the next guy that would've beat Roy in 2006.

Please read the other part of my previous post.

Toney was at SMW, also Toney had a terrible SMW resume. Griffin was a novice with no great LHW wins.

That fight could have gone either way and you know it, thanks to Jones' cheating we won't know.

Tarver shut out Montell Griffin going into the first fight with Roy, he was high on confidence and genuinely believed he could beat Roy. Also yes, he was a step up from the opposition Jones was fighting at LHW. It showed in their fights.

[BoxingGenius27]

Please read the other part of my previous post.

Toney was at SMW, also Toney had a terrible SMW resume. Griffin was a novice with no great LHW wins.

That fight could have gone either way and you know it, thanks to Jones' cheating we won't know.

Tarver shut out Montell Griffin going into the first fight with Roy, he was high on confidence and genuinely believed he could beat Roy. Also yes, he was a step up from the opposition Jones was fighting at LHW. It showed in their fights.

So are you going by the fighter or accomplishments in the division?

[SergioMaravilla]

So are you going by the fighter or accomplishments in the division?

Both factors are important.