Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

[FUC_U_PAYME]

no he got old

[djtmal]

i thought, one of roy jones jr.'s most impressive wins, was against reggie johnson...reggie johnson, was a top middleweight, who came very close to beating james toney, even scored a knockdown on toney, if i'm correct...some people thought reggie johnson, actually beat james toney...reggie johnson, was an above-average boxer, with serious pop, with his right hook...i thought reggie johnson, would be next in line for roy jones, after bernard hopkins, but reggie johnson, proved to be a legit threat at 175 as well, after he took william guthrie out, and put him on a stretcher, complete with oxygen mask, with a single right hook...at the time, everybody thought that roy jones, was ducking william guthrie...everybody thought, that reggie johnson, would be roy jones signateur opponent, but roy jones, shut reggie johnson out, and scored 2 knockdowns, in a lopsided fight...i thought, that roy jones, could have ko'd reggie johnson, but kept him on his feet...

when most people think of roy jones best wins, usually only bernard hopkins, and james toney's names come up...but in my opinion, roy jones win, over a prime reggie johnson, is as impressive a win...

[SergioMaravilla]

Toney, B-Hop, and Hill >>>>> Tarver, Calslaphe, and Johnson......by a country mile.

Sorry but I feel you're being too subjective here. Hopkins hadn't accomplished anything when Jones fought him, and he needed another two attempts to win a world title. He was not the Bernard Hopkins that knocked out Trinidad in 2002.

Toney, who I feel is overrated anyway, has a terrible SMW resume. Furthermore, he had to cut around 30 pounds to face Jones, he was completely dead at that weight, due to being dehydrated. Only a couple of years earlier, many felt Toney was lucky to get the decision over Dave Tiberi

Hill was clearly past his prime, and was coming off a gruelling 12 round loss to DM.

As I stated in the original post, Calzaghe, Tarver and Johnson were all on good winning runs. This is an important mental factor.

One point is perhaps Jones wasn't as motivated when he faced Tarver and Johnson, maybe he didn't push himself hard enough in training?

Beating Calzaghe would have been far and away the best win of Jones' career.

[IMDAZED]

Sorry but I feel you're being too subjective here. Hopkins hadn't accomplished anything when Jones fought him, and he needed another two attempts to win a world title. He was not the Bernard Hopkins that knocked out Trinidad in 2002.

Toney, who I feel is overrated anyway, has a terrible SMW resume. Furthermore, he had to cut around 30 pounds to face Jones, he was completely dead at that weight, due to being dehydrated. Only a couple of years earlier, many felt Toney was lucky to get the decision over Dave Tiberi

Hill was clearly past his prime, and was coming off a gruelling 12 round loss to DM.

As I stated in the original post, Calzaghe, Tarver and Johnson were all on good winning runs. This is an important mental factor.

One point is perhaps Jones wasn't as motivated when he faced Tarver and Johnson, maybe he didn't push himself hard enough in training?

Why are you being dense? He was 35, had come off a grueling fight himself, had been bouncing up and down in weight and was at the end of a 50 plus fight career. Here you are discrediting his opponents for losing weight and being clearly past their prime but refuse to do the same for Jones himself. Enough already - your facade is thinly veiled.

[Poet682006]

Sorry but I feel you're being too subjective here. Hopkins hadn't accomplished anything when Jones fought him, and he needed another two attempts to win a world title. He was not the Bernard Hopkins that knocked out Trinidad in 2002.

Toney, who I feel is overrated anyway, has a terrible SMW resume. Furthermore, he had to cut around 30 pounds to face Jones, he was completely dead at that weight, due to being dehydrated. Only a couple of years earlier, many felt Toney was lucky to get the decision over Dave Tiberi

Hill was clearly past his prime, and was coming off a gruelling 12 round loss to DM.

As I stated in the original post, Calzaghe, Tarver and Johnson were all on good winning runs. This is an important mental factor.

One point is perhaps Jones wasn't as motivated when he faced Tarver and Johnson, maybe he didn't push himself hard enough in training?

Toney overrated? That kind of kills your credibility right then and there. I'd take a past-it Hill over an in prime Johnson every day of the week. The Hopkins that Jones fought was still better than Calslaphe on his best day.

Bottom line: You need to find a new sport since it's pretty clear boxing "ain't your thang".

Poet

[LHK]

The question I will always have, is if Roy was "that good", why couldn't he adapt? It wasn't like he simply started losing, he started getting embarrassed. He ceased to be competitive after the first Tarver fight against anyone worth the time.

[Poet682006]

The question I will always have, is if Roy was "that good", why couldn't he adapt? It wasn't like he simply started losing, he started getting embarrassed. He ceased to be competitive after the first Tarver fight against anyone worth the time.

That's what happens when a fighter's reflexes are shot to hell.

Poet

[LHK]

That's what happens when a fighter's reflexes are shot to hell.

Poet

That is the easy response and you may very well be right. But then I see something like Erik Morales v. Danny Garcia. The older fighter clearly lost, but you saw flashes of the talent and skill gap and you could tell how different of a fight it would of been with Morales in his prime. It was somewhat respectable.

Not with Roy. There had to be more to it.

[IMDAZED]

That is the easy response and you may very well be right. But then I see something like Erik Morales v. Danny Garcia. The older fighter clearly lost, but you saw flashes of the talent and skill gap and you could tell how different of a fight it would of been with Morales in his prime. It was somewhat respectable.

Not with Roy. There had to be more to it.

Danny Garcia? Compare that to Antonio Tarver. Or Joe Calzaghe.

[therealpugilist]

Sorry but I feel you're being too subjective here. Hopkins hadn't accomplished anything when Jones fought him, and he needed another two attempts to win a world title. He was not the Bernard Hopkins that knocked out Trinidad in 2002.

Toney, who I feel is overrated anyway, has a terrible SMW resume. Furthermore, he had to cut around 30 pounds to face Jones, he was completely dead at that weight, due to being dehydrated. Only a couple of years earlier, many felt Toney was lucky to get the decision over Dave Tiberi

Hill was clearly past his prime, and was coming off a gruelling 12 round loss to DM.

As I stated in the original post, Calzaghe, Tarver and Johnson were all on good winning runs. This is an important mental factor.

One point is perhaps Jones wasn't as motivated when he faced Tarver and Johnson, maybe he didn't push himself hard enough in training?

Beating Calzaghe would have been far and away the best win of Jones' career.

Both Jones and Hopkins were two young contenders fighting for their first belt, it was vacant what did you expect them to have accomplished....lol please dont give me that green crap either Hopkins had almost 100 am fights was 4 years older than Jones with more pro fights

When Hopkins finally wanted to agree to a rematch and Calzaghe to fight he was almost 40 and kayoed several times already no coincidence, how Hopkins gone expect 50% when Jones already beat him

James Toney is a future hall of famer 3 weight titlist and very good contender at heavyweight having started at middleweight, very rare especially how big the modern heavies are

Virgil Hill didnt disappear after that lose to Jones....he went on to win a title at cruiserweight and stayed at the world class level til he was 43
No other fighter is discredited for loses past prime, dude never lost a legit fight til he was like 35, so its not fair to hold it against him