Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

[SergioMaravilla]

Honestly, that is the dumbest thing I've ever read by a nonpact*rd/edgarg on here. I'm running through the rest of your post. You better have something good here or go back to using your other screenname because this one has lost all respect with this nonsensical rambling.

I'm not claiming whether Jones was in his prime, I'm discussing to what extent was he 'shot'

People have different opinions. So explain yourself better.

I already have, re-read my previous posts about James Toney on this thread.

You know because Toney told you. Just like Hill told us.

David Haye told us about how he couldn't push off with his toe, to what extent do you give him any sympathy? Surely you know what effects cutting 30 pounds in camp, and weight draining like 25 pounds of fluid would have on you.

So then why was he a decided underdog?

Take a look at this

Bernard Hopkins- Former two-division world champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008 and lost by split decision
Fought Roy Jones Jr. May 22, 1993 and lost by unanimous decision

“Jones by unanimous decision based on his speed and power.”


Lennox Lewis- Former heavyweight champion

"Jones has unbelievable speed and Calzaghe's never fought anyone like him. Jones likes it when his opponent comes to him and unfortunately for Calzaghe, that's exactly what he does; comes to his opponent and is right in their face. I pick Jones on points, but I think it’ll be a very close fight."

Jeff Lacy- Former IBF super middleweight champion

Fought Joe Calzaghe March 4, 2006 and lost by unanimous decision

“It’s going to be a hard fight to pick. If Jones doesn't stay on the ropes and give Calzaghe angles and lots of movement I'm going to go with Jones by decision. Roy can't stay on the ropes and give Joe the chance to throw his slapping punches. This is a great fight for Jones to win and setup a big money fight again with Hopkins!”


Glen Johnson- Former IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion

Fought Roy Jones September 25, 2004 and won by KO in 9th round

“Roy Jones will win. I believe Calzaghe fights an amateur style. He throws a lot of slappy punches. Roy throws much more meaningful punches. In general, Calzaghe will throw more punches than Roy, but Roy’s will be harder hitting. Unless the judges are blind, they will see that the harder punches make Jones the winner. They should see that Roy Jones’ hard-hitting punches make the difference.”


Vernon Forrest - WBC welterweight champion

“Roy Jones is still the best fighter in my era and still arguably one of the best fighters period. Roy with his speed can match Calzaghe, and he has power. So the power and speed is with Roy. Roy by decision.”


Winky Wright- Former world junior middleweight champion

“I think Roy is going to win. I think that his punches are going to be sharper than Calzaghe’s and I think that Roy is a harder puncher. I think it might go all 12 rounds, but if somebody gets stopped I think its Calzaghe late in the fight.”

Dan Rafael- ESPN.com

“Although Calzaghe is the favorite, I think Jones' style and speed -- he's still fast -- are going to give him problems. I think it will be a tough, close fight but I'm going with the upset special. I like Jones to pull it out on a close decision.”


Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal

”Jones over Calzaghe. This is a fascinating fight. Jones is still quick and with his awkward style and dangerous punching power is able to freeze very active opponents like Calzaghe. I'm picking Jones by a decision.”


Tim Smith- New York Daily News

“Roy Jones has good power and I think that will offset the volume of punches that Calzaghe throws. Calzaghe has a good chin so I don't see him getting knocked out. I like Jones in a decision.”

There are more I could quote. It's important to note that guys like Bernard Hopkins, Vernon Forrest and Lennox Lewis have forgotten more about boxing than you or I will ever know.

I remember because he scored about four knockdowns on Mercado that weren't called. And his knockdowns were out of fatigue and being unable to adjust to the atmosphere in Ecuador. On two occassions he needed help going back to his corner. You didn't watch the fight. You don't know what you're talking about and you're simply just another cornball d*ckrider using an sn because you've either been run off another board or because everyone knows your trolling tactics here. Don't tell me to play nice while you play dumb. F*ggot.

I don't understand why you've become so hostile, it's just a boxing discussion. Is it because you dislike the facts that have been laid out in this thread?

[Poet682006]

And not everyone were given the athletic gifts of Jones in his prime.

That's their tough luck. It's what makes them inferior fighters.

[SergioMaravilla]

precisely.....

As far as Tarver was a "fresh" 30+ fighter, he turned pro at 28, by age 28 Jones had a slew of fights and belts

Come on, it's not like Jones had any wars before he faced Tarver. Wars like Hagler-Hearns, Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Bowe which take something out of a fighter.

[LHK]

Who said there was a difference? Irrelevant. Focus please. Bottom line, people don't age the same.

Then why does it matter how Jones aged? If there is no difference, why does it matter?

Your argument would be sound if we were talking about a younger fighter beating Jones. We aren't.

[IMDAZED]

I'm not claiming whether Jones was in his prime, I'm discussing to what extent was he 'shot'

You're dumb enough to use crap like he's still active in 2012, as if that means he was perfectly fine in 2004. Roberto Duran was still active in the 90's - but he wasn't shot, right?

I already have, re-read my previous posts about James Toney on this thread.

No, you didn't. You said his SMW reign wasn't impressive. So?

David Haye told us about how he couldn't push off with his toe, to what extent do you give him any sympathy? Surely you know what effects cutting 30 pounds in camp, and weight draining like 25 pounds of fluid would have on you.

I know that only a d*ckriding biased f*g pretends he understand one ailment while pooh-pooing the other.

There are more I could quote. It's important to note that guys like Bernard Hopkins, Vernon Forrest and Lennox Lewis have forgotten more about boxing than you or I will ever know.

Why was Jones a decided underdog?

I don't understand why you've become so hostile, it's just a boxing discussion. Is it because you dislike the facts that have been laid out in this thread?

Because you selectively choose facts and play dumb while asking me to play nice. **** that. F*g

[therealpugilist]

And not everyone were given the athletic gifts of Jones in his prime. But advantages are advantages. When you have two 35+ year old men fighting and one has slowed more then the other, I am not exactly sure that is different then one having different advantages 10 years before.

you lost me dude.....simply put, people dont age the same

Roy Jones at 25> Jones 35
Floyd Mayweather 25> Mayweather 35
Ray Robinson 25> Robinson 35

get the point...when you are older alot of the time you lose to fighters you would have beat in your prime, kinda hard to argue with 15 years of dominance and he won titles at 4 weights and beat 14 champions by 35

[IMDAZED]

Then why does it matter how Jones aged? If there is no difference, why does it matter?

Your argument would be sound if we were talking about a younger fighter beating Jones. We aren't.

Because that's what we're discussing? You brought up advantages in youth. Not me. Not everyone ages the same. Whether you like it or not. Whether I was better than you at basketball at 25 or not. Furthermore, gifts are one thing. Harnessing and honing them are another.

[LHK]

That's their tough luck. It's what makes them inferior fighters.

Arguably at that age. Ten years later? The fights actually did happen and it was pretty clear who the better fighters were. Jones could of fought Calzaghe years before. He didn't. When they finally did, it wasn't close.

[therealpugilist]

Come on, it's not like Jones had any wars before he faced Tarver. Wars like Hagler-Hearns, Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Bowe which take something out of a fighter.

training for pro fights, sparring and the initial fights do damage and affect your body....Jones was a pro with 35+ fights when, Tarver was a novice....so your are telling me fighting pro all those years dont put wear and tear on you....you dont have to be in wars to breakdown with age...we are human not machines

[SergioMaravilla]

training for pro fights, sparring and the initial fights do damage and affect your body....Jones was a pro with 35+ fights when, Tarver was a novice....so your are telling me fighting pro all those years dont put wear and tear on you....you dont have to be in wars to breakdown with age...we are human not machines

Look at Mayweather at 35, Hopkins at 47. They have boxed for the same number of years that Jones had when he was 35.