1 thing i have noticed bout Cotto fans and appreciate

[Walt Liquor]

The problem is you wont say "a shane win in 06 would be better on floyd's resume, yet shane didn't give him the opportunity." You are essentially penalizing floyd for SHanes actions. Hence the irrational hate label.

For the 7th time. I only brought up shane as a device to exhibit that a floyd missed an opportunity to fight manny in 09-10, so if he ever does fight manny in 13-14, there will be a similar dropoff in the quality of the win.

A shane win in '10 is not equal to the shane win in '10. Nothing changes that floyd didnt get to fight him in '06. He doesnt get credit for it.

Seriously, yall got me wondering about your reading comp scores.

[Walt Liquor]

Uhh duh. We know that. Just like a win over Ray Leonard would be better than that. And?

Are you serious?

[IMDAZED]

Are you serious?

Yeah, I'm dead serious. As in, it's out of the person's hands or simply illogical. Yeah, I'm dead serious but you seriously don't get it. Or don't want to.

[The Big Dunn]

For the 7th time. I only brought up shane as a device to exhibit that a floyd missed an opportunity to fight manny in 09-10, so if he ever does fight manny in 13-14, there will be a similar dropoff in the quality of the win.

A shane win in '10 is not equal to the shane win in '10. Nothing changes that floyd didnt get to fight him in '06. He doesnt get credit for it.

Seriously, yall got me wondering about your reading comp scores.

floyd didn't miss an opportunity. IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO HIM AT THE TIME. If manny agrees to OST, yes floyd wins its better than in 2013. If ODH took fight before he took BHop fight, yes its a better win.

BUT AGAIN FLOYD DIDN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THEN.

[Walt Liquor]

So what happened then? Let me guess...you don't care enough to be specific and honest?

I dont know dazed. Im not as big of an insider as you, since. You were at all of the negotiations. U are the master excuse maker.

I know if they did happen and floyd did win them, i would rank him top 25 atg easy.

I mean, im sure floyd has done everything in his power to make them happen.

I do know one fact- they didnt happen. Unless i missed it

[IMDAZED]

I dont know dazed. Im not as big of an insider as you, since. You were at all of the negotiations. U are the master excuse maker.

I know if they did happen and floyd did win them, i would rank him top 25 atg easy.

I mean, im sure floyd has done everything in his power to make them happen.

I do know one fact- they didnt happen. Unless i missed it

But you know no serious effort was made on Mayweather's end. Got it.

Clown.

[tredh]

FYI, what I said is that a floyd win over Hatton at 140 instead of 147 would have enhanced his resume more and you have people talling me that I said floyd avoided him at 140. It's funny how touchy people get about their hero.

In the grand scheme of things it would have but IMO the fight would have played out the same way at any weight.

[Walt Liquor]

floyd didn't miss an opportunity. IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO HIM AT THE TIME. If manny agrees to OST, yes floyd wins its better than in 2013. If ODH took fight before he took BHop fight, yes its a better win.

BUT AGAIN FLOYD DIDN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THEN.

Floyd ***n up his chances by not taking fights he could have, that he could have won, like manny.


Hey, tell me where i said floyd ducked shane in 06?

[Mike_R]

The argument about people being disappointed in Floyd's fights in my opinion starts with the Gatti fight.

June 2005- FMJ completely destroys the famous, beloved, marquee brawler Arturo Gatti. I believe this was his first headlining PPV? Might be wrong about that.

Right after that big high profile win he fights Sharmba Mitchell- who's fight before this was an ugly affair on the undercard of Mike Tyson's last (horrible) fight. It ended on cuts and was a **** fight, and he didn't deserve a shot at Floyd. He had a snowball's chance in hell to win. Before this fight Sharmba was destroyed by Tszyu is also worth mentioning.

Things build up at this point and everyone wants him to fight Zab Judah because he's got the belts and has been riding high since looking amazing against Cory Spinks. Only problem is Zab gets beat in the upset of the decade by Carlos Baldomir. Floyd elects to fight Zab anyway even though he's coming off a loss and doesn't have the belts.

Baldomir beats Gatti afterward- and then he is up as Floyd's next fight.

A lot of people cried about this fight, hated the fight, knew FMJ would dominate (which of course he did). But I never saw an issue here because Baldomir was the undisputed Welterweight champion- no reason not to go take all of his titles imho. But really all of this is around the time (before Oscar's comeback) that names like Margarito, Cotto, and Mosley are the ones being thrown around by fans who really want to see Floyd fight another top tier fighter.

But Oscar made his big comeback and looked awesome against Mayorga- then that fight came to fruition.

I think everyone loved Floyd vs. Oscar. It was a great fight and I (and I think everybody) wanted to see it.

After that he fought undefeated Ricky Hatton- this was also awesome. You can't call this cherry picking in my opinion. Hatton also had a nice '0'. I would have loved to see Floyd fight Shane around this time while he was still looking fast and sharp, but that's just me being an old Mosley fan.

The Marquez fight is where things get a little ******... Just a mismatch, really kind of a waste of time. But he did help Juan make some good money, and it was his first fight after a long layoff. Mixed feelings- but an obvious mismatch on paper and in reality. Floyd was the bigger, faster, and better fighter. But JMM is the man, and has a big name. I thought this fight was him sending a message to Pacman honestly- it was such a weird choice for him to make this fight and the only reasoning in my eyes was so Manny would see that Floyd wanted to fight him and intimidate him by dominating Manny's arch rival.

Then the Mosley fight- I was glad he fought Shane and I wanted to see it. It's not worth arguing that he could have or should have fought Shane earlier instead of going on either of his long vacations- because ultimately they did fight and we got to see it go down. It would have been a better fight I think even 1 year earlier if not 2 or 3 years earlier when it was still a big money maker fight and Shane was still competitive.

And now he's finally fighting Cotto- and I can't wait! Again I'm mostly just glad it's happening- and still don't think it's worth it to harp on how it could have or should have happened sooner. Cotto is still the younger guy and it's still going to be a competitive fight.

Floyd has had his moments, and he has had his fights that have been disappointing. Not his performances- he always performs and is amazing to watch. But he has certainly disappointed with his picks for who he fights- but it's not fair to say he cherry picked everyone he ever fought. It just isn't true. He just hasn't gone the 'fight anybody anytime' route.

Part of why I've always stood my ground as a Mosley fan is because Shane fought so many guys he could have (and maybe should have) avoided and he paid for it, but he still did it. It's old school to do this, it's about being cut from a different cloth.

But in the end look at where Floyd is and look at where Shane is... I have more respect for Shane- but it's plain to see who came out on top with their choices.

Sorry for such a long post, randomly decided to get on my soapbox for some reason..

[Walt Liquor]

In the grand scheme of things it would have but IMO the fight would have played out the same way at any weight.

I agree, but this all stems from me suggesting fights he could have taken to Enhance his legacy over his bank account.

They were just waiting to make up perceived threats to defend their hero.