Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: I Have Not Seen Chavez Sign Anything

[Dr. Ill]

really??

like i said againts a a bum.. jr aint really that good either but he has a noticeacble size advantage over sergio. also ,his style is perfect..we might se sergio vs margarito II..

[Roman Moreno]

Love how you didn't touch upon him cheating without consequence or that he wasn't tested after the Rubio bout.

How did he cheat without consequence? He got suspended so what are you talking about? Yeas he hasn't been tested since fighting in Texas, OK.

Compubox is a guide, I agree. Not the be all, end all. But have you seen the numbers? Sebastian Zbik (391/834) vs. JC Chavez, Jr. (256/796) - Zbik landed 135 more punches and you dismiss that? You say that Chavez Jr.'s last name isn't influential? Really...

You're making different arguments. Again what are you talking about? His last name? Does it have influence sure? Does influence equate to a protective fight? No. Compubox doesn't really mean a damn thing. You judge the fight by round by round basis not by how the over fight look at the end of the fight nor by what compubox shows. But, round by round scoring.

WBC gave Angulo, Kirkland and Vanes the run around - really, so who is Canelo's mandatory? Because WBC announced Jr.'s in December of 2011. Then sanctioned Rubio, Lee and Jr. still hasn't signed to fight Martinez. Hmmm...

Well his mandatory was Angulo then it was Vanes, then Kirkland has to fight so many eliminators. How many eliminators has Kirkland, Vanes, and Angulo have to fight? Yet they still asking for more eliminators. That's the definition of a protected fighter.

And, as of yesterday Martinez adviser/manager said that him and Top Rank Carl Moretti have finalized a deal to make a Martinez-Chavez fight...There was even a picture of both of them together...Hmmm, so what are you talking about?

Lee is better than any competition Canelo has fought, yes but only because Jr. would rather fight Lee than Martinez - not by choice. We'll see what happens when Canelo gets put in that position.

So you agree that Lee is better than anyone Canelo has fought. Yet you still don't think Canelo is more protected fighter? I'm confused, how's that even possible? How can the guy who's fighting the tougher fights be the more protected fighter? And, of course it was by choice. Don't get it twisted.

Let's talk competition (last 5 fights) - let's be real, neither have fought a real threat. But let's line them up and see what we get!

OK.

Jr.
Zbik - 10 KO's, Billy Lyell - 5 KO's, Duddy - 18 KO's, Manfredo -20 KO's, Rubio has like 40 KO's, but we all know how much weight Jr. had for that fight.

Why are you showing KO's only?

Canelo
Cintron - 28 KO's, Rhodes - 31 KO's, N'dou - 31 Ko's, Gomez - 11 KO's and sadly, Hatton - 10 KO's.

Again, why are you showing KO's only?

So who has fought tougher competition?

Considering that the when is more important than the who. It's quite easily Chavez Jr. Which in turn Canelo is more protected fighter.

Conclusion: Jr. has two debatable wins out of his past 5 fights (Zbik & Rubio) - both gifts vs. semi-real competition, while Canelo has dominated every single one of his foe's - peep talk about Gomez winning, which he was, but it was only a matter of time before Canelo put the pressure and abandoned his ****** Mayweather-wanna be defense. He was never threatened.

The Rubio fight wasn't debatable nor a gift. Neither fight was a gift don't confuse a close competitive fight that could have gone either way with a gift. There wasn't anything gift or debatable about Rubio. And, lol @ semi-real competition...Canelo doesn't even have that. Canelo was threatened, was put on ***** street by a blown up LW. Who's a journeyman at that

On and BTW, Chavez got his title by beating a borderline top 10 MW. In a close fight. How did Canelo get his title?

It is not debatable who the more protected fighter. Canelo is more protected no argument can be made for Chavez Jr...You can show all the compubox numbers you want or talk how he is a son of a legend won't change it.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Chavez-Margarito this fall. Just wait and see.

Margarito just pulled out from his fight cause of an "injury" so Im on this with you.

[ronniejunior]

This is pretty damn pathetic but, what else can be expected from an Arum fighter? Top Rank stable is mostly made up of paper champs.

lol, love the sig....

[Roman Moreno]

Margarito just pulled out from his fight cause of an "injury" so Im on this with you.

He could actually still gone on with the fight and still fight Chavez in October. No need to fake an injury or to pull out if there wasn't a real injury.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

what's with his obsession with chavez any way? there's a lot of other paper champs in that division if jr and arum don't want to fight him why not just go for another paper champ?

money............................

And Chavez Jr has the belt that rightfully belongs to Martinez.

[Roman Moreno]

And Chavez Jr has the belt that rightfully belongs to Martinez.

The belt has nothing to do with why he is obsessed with Chavez. If he cared so much about titles then he would also be obsessed with Pirog. Since Pirog has a title that rightfully belongs to him as well.

But, like Dibella said fuck Pirog because he went for the title that belong to Sergio. So therefor Pirog doesn't get a fight.

Proves that he couldn't careless about a garbage title. Is about the money and recognition. Which it's totally fine, he can go and chase that money.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

The belt has nothing to do with why he is obsessed with Chavez. If he cared so much about titles then he would also be obsessed with Pirog. Since Pirog has a title that rightfully belongs to him as well.

But, like Dibella said fuck Pirog because he went for the title that belong to Sergio. So therefor Pirog doesn't get a fight.

Proves that he couldn't careless about a garbage title. Is about the money and recognition. Which it's totally fine, he can go and chase that money.

I truly think it's a mixture of both. Money and belt. Martinez doesn't gain anything from fighting Pirog. Did you see Pirog fight Ishida and how empty that place was? His own hometown... Imagine bringing him to the US to face Sergio or Sergio fighting Pirog over there in the middle of the day when most Americans are working?

I think if Sergio keeps waiting on Chavez he's gonna be on the shelf for a while waiting and we know his time is ticking. If I was him I'd keep fighting whatever comes his way and wait for Floyd to finally cherrypick him when he's all slow/sluggish and make a payday out of it.

[Fighting Pride]

This is pretty damn pathetic but, what else can be expected from an Arum fighter? Top Rank stable is mostly made up of paper champs.

It's not Arum and Top Rank, it's Sulaiman and his Mexican sanctioning body WBC, they want to protect the son of their legend and make as much money off him as possible. They are doing pretty much the same with Canelo. Look at Arum's fighters in recent times, Pac, Cotto, Margs, Clottey, Pavlik, Morales, Arce, and tell me who didn't they fight? It's the WBC and WBA which are the big problem in boxing, they're belts mean nothing today with the **** they've pulled over the last few years.

[Roman Moreno]

I truly think it's a mixture of both. Money and belt. Martinez doesn't gain anything from fighting Pirog. Did you see Pirog fight Ishida and how empty that place was? His own hometown... Imagine bringing him to the US to face Sergio or Sergio fighting Pirog over there in the middle of the day when most Americans are working?

I think if Sergio keeps waiting on Chavez he's gonna be on the shelf for a while waiting and we know his time is ticking. If I was him I'd keep fighting whatever comes his way and wait for Floyd to finally cherrypick him when he's all slow/sluggish and make a payday out of it.

Well he would gain the belt, that you believe he cares about, no?

And, bringing Pirog to the U.S is no different than bringing someone like Barker or Dzinziruk to the U.S.