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I don't see that at all. Canelo is consistently fighting better fighters...I mean shot or not, Mosley was just in the ring with Pac and Mayweather.....who has John Duddy, Zbik, Lyell and Rowland fight?
Canelo has been carried along slowly I agree but I don't see the kid ducking and jiving to avoid tough comp or taking diuretics to make a weight that he couldn't make on his own for the sake of beating up on smaller guys.
I think Canelo has what it takes to be a winner and Chavez Jr is a spoiled punk who is living off of and ruining his family name.
It won't be long before Jr loses and the hype dies out.Comment
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The former vice president of the WBC (died five years ago) was Martinez' mentor so he seemed to have had some type of special relationship with the organization before if he even had one of their belts. I've heard some older clips of him talking about the WBC and he sounded like a boarderline shill for them. I don't know. Maybe it is partly because money, but I don't believe he's lying when he says he really wants the WBC belt back specifically. He only had the WBO for a week before it was taken from him so I doubt he really cares much about it. Plus the green belt is the belt Monzon held.Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 05-03-2012, 11:07 PM.Comment
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OMFG, if he really want that belt then he should have taken a pay cut fight Zbik, do it off TV own independent PPV like Top Rank or whatever if you really want to keep that belt. If it has some kind of "sentimental" value to you. Apparently it didn't.
He rather take HBO money than keep the belt. Therefor he dropped the regular belt and took whatever WBC promised him to go for that HBO money. At the end of the day it's about the money and just about the money. If Chavez was the IBF champ, he would have gone after the IBF he wouldn't give a damn about the WBC belt if Joe Shmoe was the WBC champ. And, there isn't anything wrong with that either. Go get paid.Comment
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-I just made a bunch of arguments. And yes, compubox and the fact that he is the son of a legend does have something to do with it. It has a lot to do with it quite frankly. Would the son of a legend get all the perks Jr. has received? How legit is his record and beloved "0" on his record. I guess we can just agree to disagree. Cheers!How did he cheat without consequence? He got suspended so what are you talking about? Yeas he hasn't been tested since fighting in Texas, OK.
-Context my friend, context. He got caught for taking a diuretic to beat up on a smaller guy. If you need something to beat up somebody smaller then you and your team don't have confidence thus must protect you. Also, my point about his name. He gets gifts because he makes $ - I would think this is obvious. I don't understand how you can't correlate his last name with protection. Everyone agrees his name is being protected. And Chavez is a pretty damn good name to protect. Didn't mean to say "without consequence," but rather that he uses it to protect himself and pad his record.
You're making different arguments. Again what are you talking about? His last name? Does it have influence sure? Does influence equate to a protective fight? No. Compubox doesn't really mean a damn thing. You judge the fight by round by round basis not by how the over fight look at the end of the fight nor by what compubox shows. But, round by round scoring.
-Influence of the name doesn't equate to a protective fight? Really...talk to Abril, I'm sure he will disagree. You're wrong, Compubox DOES mean something. Not the be all, end all but it does have its advantages. Zbik v. Chavez was a really close fight, yet Zbik landed 135 more punches and lost. How does that happen? Proof is there man, whether people choose to look at it, depends on the viewer I suppose. This is no Pac. vs. Marquez where rounds were decided by 1 or 2 punches. This was a close fight where lots of punches were thrown, one landed 135 more and lost. Take it how you like.
Well his mandatory was Angulo then it was Vanes, then Kirkland has to fight so many eliminators. How many eliminators has Kirkland, Vanes, and Angulo have to fight? Yet they still asking for more eliminators. That's the definition of a protected fighter.
-Yup, WBC protected both Chavez and Canelo against their mandatory. Moot point.
And, as of yesterday Martinez adviser/manager said that him and Top Rank Carl Moretti have finalized a deal to make a Martinez-Chavez fight...There was even a picture of both of them together...Hmmm, so what are you talking about?
-And in December of 2011 WBC ordered Jr. to face Martinez. I will believe it when I see them in the ring. Bet you anything Jr. makes an excuse or vacates like b$*%.
So you agree that Lee is better than anyone Canelo has fought. Yet you still don't think Canelo is more protected fighter? I'm confused, how's that even possible? How can the guy who's fighting the tougher fights be the more protected fighter? And, of course it was by choice. Don't get it twisted.
-As of today, Jr. and Lee have not fought. Lee is good, Jr. can finally face someone with more than 2 KO's lol. When Canelo gets to that situation we will see what happens. Will he face Kirkland or Vanes? I hope, but that's yet to be determined.
OK.
Why are you showing KO's only?
-KO's = Power, power = danger, staying away from danger = protected fighter, thee most protected fighter = Chavez Jr.
Again, why are you showing KO's only?
-See comment above.
Considering that the when is more important than the who. It's quite easily Chavez Jr. Which in turn Canelo is more protected fighter.
-past 5 fights have shown otherwise.
The Rubio fight wasn't debatable nor a gift. Neither fight was a gift don't confuse a close competitive fight that could have gone either way with a gift. There wasn't anything gift or debatable about Rubio. And, lol @ semi-real competition...Canelo doesn't even have that. Canelo was threatened, was put on ***** street by a blown up LW. Who's a journeyman at that
-Rubio's fight wasn't debatable? Jr. walked in 20 lbs. over the limit...how is that even possible? If you don't question that or debate that, I don't know what to say. When have you ever seen Canelo trying to do that ****** wanna be mayweather defense? Never. Only against Gomez bcuz he wasn't hurting Canelo. One good combo and Gomez couldn't walk straight, if it wasnt for the ropes Gomez would of fell - again. Canelo's semi-competition is more dangerous than Jr.'s semi-competition.
On and BTW, Chavez got his title by beating a borderline top 10 MW. In a close fight. How did Canelo get his title?
-"borderline top 10" lol...only problem is, that fight was a gift. Canelo won by a landslide.
It is not debatable who the more protected fighter. Canelo is more protected no argument can be made for Chavez Jr...You can show all the compubox numbers you want or talk how he is a son of a legend won't change it.
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Bull****! I've met martinez and my fiance took a pick with him and he is not 5-10. I'm 6'2" and we were at eye level. Reminds of the people who used to claim Paul Williams was 6'0"
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So if after Cotto and Bradley Floyd and Pac fight the likes of Duddy, Zbik, Lyell, and Rowland. And, Floyd and Pac dominate now they magically they become better than what they are now. Because, they got dominated by Floyd and Pac?
Please explain cuz' that makes no sense to me. So Henry Bruseles is actuall y a good fighter because Floyd Mayweather Jr fought him? WTF? Explain what you mean please.
So Canelo hasn't beaten up smaller guys? You haven't seen Canelo ducking and jiving to avoid though comps? What happened with Angulo? Then Kirkland? Now Vanes? How many eliminators do this people need to fight?
BTW, whatever happened to that Austin Trout fight? what happened, when Trout shutout Canelo brother Rigoberto and then Canelo talking all big and bad calls out Trout to "avenge his brother" that what Canelo said and when Trout agreed, what happened to the big bad ass Canelo? Do this winner that you see? Why did this "none spoiled punk, winner" kept him mouth shut and ignored Trout agreeing to a match up?
And, yea Ndou, Cotto, Gomez, Hatton they're the same size as Canelo couple of them were even bigger you right. Canelo wasn't bigger at all. Because, Canelo is somehow a midget now.
How's he living off his family name? How long did it take for Chavez to finally get on HBO? How long? After how many fights? After how many years of being a pro did it take for him to get on HBO?
And, in his HBO debut did he fight a bum or a journeyman or did he fight a borderline top 10 MW?
Of course Canelo is going to be a winner, they're protecting the hell out of him. He should never lose by the rate that they're going.
After Chavez fights. When that's said and done and it's in the record books. Chavez 3 of his last 4 fights would have been against borderline top 10 MW's. Going in that rate yes YOU'RE RIGHT. He would lose and the hype will because he isn't and that good and is fighting borderline top 10 MW's in a consistent basis. Canelo isn't fighting that level fighter and won't on a consistent basis until they have him cashing out against FloydComment
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