Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Mayweather Will Go Down as Greatest Ever

[Realizniguhnit]

Even if you disagree about Floyd being the best fighter ever, you still have to respect the numbers and amount of money Mayweather has generated throughout his career like Ellerbe said, that will never be done again. Anytime A guy can go out and make 30 40 million dollars in about an hour, thats worthy of the HOF in itself imo because it's not all about being undefeated or just a great fighter, it's also about the business and entertainment and ability to bring people and culture's together, that must go into account also, there will never be another guy like Floyd, 10 years from now when guys are making at the most, 5 million per fight we will look back on now and wonder how guys like Floyd did it his own way, he truly changed the game whether for better or worse....

[shade darkar]

My point is if tredh wants to not buy ppv's until he gets the fights he wants, I understand that. But not buying this fight, holds floyd and cotto accountable for manny's actions.

Yes, the deal was ****ty. But if you look at my sig, floyd took a ****ty deal to increae his brand. Historically, many fighters have done the same. IMO, manny is no different from them. He'd get even more credit for taking a crap deal and winning.

So if floyd fights in nov/dec, and its not manny or sergio, or a viable opponent, then I think its fair to hold floyd accountable and not buy.

this is what you do when you really want a fight your sig says. are you saying floyd doesnt really want the fight?

also, was floyd selling massive PPV numbers before de la hoya?

if there has ever been a fight that should be split 50-50, its may vs pac.

[shade darkar]

I get what you are saying but even as a PBF fan there is no way Manny should have accepted a no ppv money deal. I will just take a wait and see approach if he fights Martinez I will actually try to go to that fight to hell with PPV but if its not Martinez or Manny there is a 99% chance I am not going to buy that PPV. Same goes for Manny as well. I like Bradley but not for $60+. If Manny doesn't fight who I want to see him fight then I am not buying his PPV either. Bradley vs Manny is a better fight than PBF vs Cotto IMO.

and thats how it should be. i dont agree with the last part tho, i think cotto vs floyd is better than pac vs bradley.

dont buy may or pac fights until they fight each other.

[Hamaru]

I dunno. Mayweather suffers from Calzaghe syndrome. That '0' is based on too many fights that didn't happen.

Name Floyd's top 5 wins.

De La Hoya. That's a good one.

Hatton. That's a good one although Hatton moved up a weight class for him.

Corrales. A warrior but a very overrated fighter who was exposed as a bit of a hype job in the fights before his death.

Castillo. Most of his 70-odd fights were against bums. A vastly overrated fighter.

Marquez. Forced up 2 weight classes with no preparation, no fights above 135 before fighting at 147. A mismatch, both stylistically and physically.

Who else? Judah? Please, Kosta Tzyu put that fraud to bed a long, long time ago. Baldomir? Pul-lease.

That's just not P4P greatest material.

Ray Leonard; Duran, Hearns, Hagler - already eclipses Floyd and I've just named only 3 guys, even though he lots to one of them.

Pacquiao; Barrera, Morales, Marquez - all at their prime weights in-or-close-to their primes.

Cotto is a good opponent, the best since De La Hoya. I'm glad he's taking opponent selection more seriously now. I hope it continues but he's got a bit of work to do before even getting close to being under consideration as potential GOAT material.

Maybe Floyd will go down as the richest fighter ever, the best paid fighter, the PPV King. That I have a hard time finding fault with. That's not GOAT. They are two different metrics.

Floyd beat Shane after he had a good win over Margarito. He isn't the GOAT though. I think he would need to beat Pac, Martinez, and probably a strong 160lb fighter for that title.

[torosboxing75]

I dunno. Mayweather suffers from Calzaghe syndrome. That '0' is based on too many fights that didn't happen.

Name Floyd's top 5 wins.

De La Hoya. That's a good one.

Hatton. That's a good one although Hatton moved up a weight class for him.

Corrales. A warrior but a very overrated fighter who was exposed as a bit of a hype job in the fights before his death.

Castillo. Most of his 70-odd fights were against bums. A vastly overrated fighter.

Marquez. Forced up 2 weight classes with no preparation, no fights above 135 before fighting at 147. A mismatch, both stylistically and physically.

Who else? Judah? Please, Kosta Tzyu put that fraud to bed a long, long time ago. Baldomir? Pul-lease.

That's just not P4P greatest material.

Ray Leonard; Duran, Hearns, Hagler - already eclipses Floyd and I've just named only 3 guys, even though he lots to one of them.

Pacquiao; Barrera, Morales, Marquez - all at their prime weights in-or-close-to their primes.

Cotto is a good opponent, the best since De La Hoya. I'm glad he's taking opponent selection more seriously now. I hope it continues but he's got a bit of work to do before even getting close to being under consideration as potential GOAT material.

Maybe Floyd will go down as the richest fighter ever, the best paid fighter, the PPV King. That I have a hard time finding fault with. That's not GOAT. They are two different metrics.

Plus Delahoya wasn't in his prime or anybody he always waits to see somebody else expose their weakness or he wants some kind of advantage like fighting smaller guys like Ricky or Marquez. SO I like Floyd but he's not the best ever.

[4Corners]

Not possible. There's no way that he could have ever gone down as greater than Robinson, Ali, Johnson, Pep, Armstrong, Leonard, etc.

If he beats Manny and/or Sergio though, on top of Cotto-Canelo-Khan, he'd crack the Top 20 no doubt.

[-PBP-]

He's supposed to say that.

[AzteK Warrior]

LMAO!! let's seee.. how much did your boyfriend Gayweather pay you to say that Ellerbe??? Why don't we leave that statement to the Public??

He will go down as the greatest ducker / cherrypicker that ever lived!! that's for sure! Tyson alone will be 1000 times greater than Gayweather in anybody's book.

F U and Gayweather!

[Realizniguhnit]

Floyd beat Shane after he had a good win over Margarito. He isn't the GOAT though. I think he would need to beat Pac, Martinez, and probably a strong 160lb fighter for that title.

i thought maybe Floyd should attempt to mix it up with a 160pder myself, but after seeing a pic of Floyd next to Direll, and one next to Ward, there's no way Floyd could really beat anyone significant at 160 outside of Martinez. The size difference was just waaay to great! sometimes we get a little crazy about who can defeat the undefeated Floyd and start coming up with unrealistic expectations, even I do, but we must remember that he's still really a natural lightweight who was still fighting at featherweight just 3 months before his 25th birthday!

[-PBP-]

But for real though. Floyd has not beaten a prime atg. That's his biggest weakness. Skill wise though there's not many that i would bet on beating him.