Freddie Roach is an Overrated Trainer, I agree with Floyd Sr.

[thuggery]

Robert Garcia > Roach

What does Roach even do aside from pad work?

[Kris Silver]

Unfortunately it's somewhat true, because a boxer right at the top and consistently surprising people, not losing, their trainer often gets overrated.

Calzaghe Snr isn't massively impressive or tactical, doesn't study tapes enough, yet he got trainer of the year. Roach whom I also admire as one of my fav's, is being shown to be not addressing defensive issues of his fighters.

Linares, Khan, Pacman.

You can tolerate it if it's learnt from and addressed, but Roach seems to have a block at addressing these clear issues and patches over them with offence. I do also think his condition is gradually worsening his abilities to clearly see, think, and communicate what the guys are doing wrong.

[hectari]

You couldn't be more wrong. First off, trainers get more blame and more credit than they really deserve, that's the truth.

At the end of the day, it's the fighter who is fighting so of course that's who deserves the credit. There are plenty of good trainers out there who just haven't had great talent.

Not to drop names but I know Moorer personally and he is a difficult guy to deal with and I have been told the same by many people who know him. He's also very punch drunk and maybe that had something to do with it. When you run a gym, you can't have anyone step on your toes and that has nothing to do with ego.

Second, Pac and Buboy don't pay Roach millions to sit around and know nothing, your delusional and I can see your trolling but I'm bored so I will indulge you. Roach knows his stuff and called out the DLH fight even though people thought he was crazy for accepting it because of DLH size but it was ROACH who knew DLH was shot and at that weight would be nothing.....he was right.

Lastly, as far as adopting "Marquez' style"...hahahahah you think it's so easy to fight like JMM? I guess every boxer in the world should just learn to fight like Mayweather because nobody has beaten him right? I mean, just walk into a gym and learn to fight like Mayweather because it's so easy....holy **** people are ******.

Bradley can't imitate JMM no more than I can BECAUSE HE'S NOT JMM!!

Roach is a great trainer, he's brought up many champions. He's a 4 time trainer of the year and has had great fighters seek him out like DLH and many pro MMA fighters.

I mean Roach learned to train under the legendary Eddie Futch, do you even know who that is? To discredit Roach is to discredit boxing, stop the trolling and hate and respect Roach, he's earned it.

Bro I am not trolling. I don't hate Roach I just think he is overrated, if he was so great why Pacman doesnt know how to cut off the ring lol thats boxing 101. and all those fighters he trains now from MMA and boxing, you know why they go to him? because of Manny Pacquiao that is why, Freddie Roach even knows it! He has said several times if it wasn't for Manny I wouldn't be here, so even he knows it. I give him credit for at least acknowledging that Manny helped him get to this level of fame and being most sought after trainer in boxing.

But the proof is in the pudding, Roach is just a mitt guy who teaches guys to overwelhm you with punches. I never see him ever train a guy to fight going backwards, and why do all his fighters get hit with the same punches? Maybe Roach has some secrete training technique that improves chin cause guys like chavez jr, khan and pacman get hit with punches that would drop most guys, and they get hit often.

Roach has gone Hollywood, and as far as the JMM style, you know what I am talking about, they feel that Bradley will be defensive not use his same style but use the jab and move or moving back and countering. For Roach to assume Bradley wont use that style already says alot about how serious he takes training pacman, look at all his training videos with pacman same mittwork over nd over, and when pacman spars nothing new they use come forward fighters. Pacman doesnt need brawlers, he needs to spar with nothing but runners now, that is his weakness, Pacman can fight brawlers so easy that is his specialty its like second nature to pacman, right now he needs to spar all fast guys who run and are defensive so he can cut learn to cut off the ring.

[r3robinson]

Freddy is a word class trainer be it he is overrated or under appreciated he has worked with great trainer and was tutored by the great Eddie Fuch so am sure he has pick up some stuff along the way.

[hectari]

Unfortunately it's somewhat true, because a boxer right at the top and consistently surprising people, not losing, their trainer often gets overrated.

Calzaghe Snr isn't massively impressive or tactical, doesn't study tapes enough, yet he got trainer of the year. Roach whom I also admire as one of my fav's, is being shown to be not addressing defensive issues of his fighters.

Linares, Khan, Pacman.

You can tolerate it if it's learnt from and addressed, but Roach seems to have a block at addressing these clear issues and patches over them with offence. I do also think his condition is gradually worsening his abilities to clearly see, think, and communicate what the guys are doing wrong.

Good K for you

I forgot about Linares, that was sad how he got beat up bad against De Marco and got stopped in his last fight.

This shows that Roach is overrated all offense and no defense, He is luck Pacman is just a freak of nature with an ability to fight through pain. Roach is the reason why I always believe Pacman would lose to Floyd Jr., I think Pacman when he was fast and younger had a shot to overwelm Floyd with unpredictable angle punches, but now that Pac is older he is ripe for Floyd, Pacman has no skills to fall back on once his speed slipped.

Roach teaches nothing but blitz and turn, or duck under, he never teaches defense at all.

[Biolink]

Bradley absolutely CAN adjust the pace he fights at so I don't know really know how they are supposed to train for that. I guess equal work with both?

[Hougigo]

I didn't read your wall of text, but I've started to feel he was a bit overrated as years passed

[hectari]

I didn't read your wall of text, but I've started to feel he was a bit overrated as years passed

Why didn't you read it, you have ADD or something?

But the pac fanatics dont see roach as overrated.

[-DSG-]

Roger > roach > sr

lol roger?

[AlwaysOnTop]

I have nothing against Freddie Roach, but Floyd Sr., Robert Garcia, Lenny De Jesus and various other trainers are right when they said Freddie wouldn't be this famous without Manny Pacquiao.

Floyd Sr. was actually right about Roach years ago, Freddie and Floyd Sr. have beefed for closed to 10 years now and I remember several years ago Floyd Sr. said Roach is not a trainer and that Manny Pacquiao trains himself. Trainers have said if Roach was so great how come his fighters have no defense and don't know how to set traps or avoid the same punch over and over? Khan and pac both get hit with uppercuts and straight punches over and over and have no defensive skills at all. If Roach is so great how come he never taught Manny Pacquiao to cut off the ring against runners?

I agree 100 percent about Manny training himself, I don't think Roach is as great as people say he is. Roach is an ego maniac and attention whore who is enjoying his new found fame since being on 24/7.

Remember Michael Moorer? He was a better eye than Roach! Watch the Pacquiao Hatton 24/7 and it was Moorer who actually helped devise the plan to knockout Hatton, he actually was showing Pacman real adjustments not that same 123 mittwork that Roach does with Pacman, Moorer actually went over strategy.

After Moorer was getting praise Roach let him go and cited it was because Moorer was rude to people lol, I have friends who visit the wildcard and they say that one eyed guy Shane Langford is rude as ****, but he still works there, the reason he is still there is cause he isn't a threat, Moorer was a threat and Roach knew Moorer was getting more credit.

Pacquiao studied tape for the De La Hoya fight and that was all pacquiao not Roach, it was Pacman and Buboy who were going over the style on 24/7 of how to beat Oscar.

In the 3rd fight with JMM Pacman abandoned that style, he didnt throw lead lefts much, but when pacman threw the lead left like he did against Oscar he landed flush on Marquez. Pacman also chased JMM playing into his game, instead of standing in the middle and wait for JMM.

If Roach was such a great trainer why didn't he tell Pacman that Marquez never blocks punches? Why didn't he tell Pacman that JMM always feints and feints and than attacks telling manny not to fall for that?

And now Roach just said that he doesn't think Bradley will use the Marquez style! LOL and Manny and Buboy said Bradley might use the style of Marquez and they wanted to work on that more and get some runners and defensive sparring partners, but Roach told them Bradley wont use that style that Bradley will be aggressive.



So Roach isn't even preparing for all options, Manny doesn't even need Roach, does Roach even watch Bradley, cause Bradley can change his style up instantly from aggressive to defensive fighter on the back foot. Even Manny and Buboy know Bradley is capable of being defensive and a jab and move guy, Roach is either slipping up or he was overrated to begin with.

Feddy's fighters have weak inside game...

Roach still hasn't found a way to keep Manny from falling in on one foot..