Comments Thread For: Ray Leonard: Mayweather, Pacquiao are Hurting Legacies

[tomhawq]

What do you call it when manny turns down a very fair offer over testing for both fighters?

haven't you been reading my posts in which i repeatedly say pac should have called your idol's bluffs from the very beginning? i'm not that kind of fan, bro. i have participated in other forums expressing pac's mistake and that he should have accepted it. you know why? because in the fight he was referring to (morales 1) he still fought valiantly despite his being weakened (his excuse) by the blood extraction on the day of the fight. so he can do it. you know, i'd even preferred that they do get tested on the day of the fight. i don't believe pbf won't be affected by it as well.

so later, he did accept the testing and the rest is history. it's no longer an issue. now we have floyd coming up with another excuse not to fight.

i don't even know where this arrogance about the split is coming from. pac has beaten pbf in the ppv battle in their last three fights. and doing the math pac murders him when you talk about the number of times they fight every year. pac fights twice a year and the other only once. not to mention pac is the more exciting fighter.

i won't even give that guy 40 split if i were pac. i don't even know why his fans give him that much when he's barely giving back in return. he fights once in a blue moon and fights in a boring extremely defensive fashion.

i don't get it. i really don't.

[Thread Stealer]

When will you Footloose, Bonnie Tyler-ass, "I need a hero" idolaters give it up?

They both haven't done what is necessary to make the fight. Who cares who deserves MORE blame? The bottom line is that they haven't fought and that's an embarrassment to boxing.

Maybe if people wouldn't pay for fights like Pacquiao-Mosley and Mayweather-Ortiz, they'd have more motivation to face each other.

Oh yeah I forgot, Manny is the "people's champion" and Floyd is truly taking the big challenges to enhance his boxing legacy at this point.

[richardt]

[QUOTE=pacfan;11966239]less can mean 49.009/50.991. QUOTE]Pac did not define less so the number above is useless. Pac said he would take less just to make the fight. He spoke against his management and Arum and should have never done that. He opened himself up to the offer he was presented and Floyd had no business offering less that 50-50. BOTH fighters are to blame, that is TOO easy to see.

[richardt]

I would like to hear Pacfan tell us what he thinks Pac did wrong throughout and I would like to hear Big Dunn tell us what he thinks Floyd did wrong. That would help.

[Pacdbest]

Shut up ray, it took u three years to fight hearns and guess what...Its taken Manny and Floyd the same amount of time...and we KNOW u didnt fight Hagler until you KNEW u could beat him...When u fought hearns, u ran around the ring with that scared facial expression, then once u saw u could hurt him, all of a sudden u have a mean facial expression, chasing him around the ring like ur billy badass.."Im gonna getcha Im gonna gethca"...Pac and Floyd NEVER would do that sucker ****...and dont let me get started on Floyd...his self belief is AMAZING...Whether he thinks he can hurt u or not, he has little guy's complex...he will manipulate himself, into being strong enough to hurt u, and I seen this guy walk down 164lbs LIONS that you would have ran from...get it together gayman

I agreed with highlighted parts!

but the truth is, Floyds the one ruining it! not Pac! Pac has to go beyond his limit to chase Floyd but Floyd has too many excuses!

Props to SRL for finally fighting hagler! I hope floyd will do the same w Pac!

[Deevel916]

I would like to hear Pacfan tell us what he thinks Pac did wrong throughout and I would like to hear Big Dunn tell us what he thinks Floyd did wrong. That would help.

I feel Pac should have accepted the 14day cut-off with the 50/50 split if that was indeed the contract terms. With Floyd you never know. Today he can say 50/50 then tomorrow its totally different.

[elgaringo]

I really think he IS superman damn near...how can u show signs of age against Ortiz, then watch back ur performance, then all of a sudden ur in ur prime when sparring Omar...Floyd went back to his prime overnight...his mental is EXTROADENARY!!

I cant decide If your a internet troll, or a Mayweather nuthugger...... Or both! Oh by the way your spelling is second to none :L.

[elgaringo]

Sugar Ray hurt his legacy but ducking both Aaron Pryor, and Iran Barkley and losing to Hector Camacho...

That hurt Leonards legacy about as much as it hurt Ali's when he lost to trevor Berbick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Big Dunn]

I would like to hear Pacfan tell us what he thinks Pac did wrong throughout and I would like to hear Big Dunn tell us what he thinks Floyd did wrong. That would help.

I think pac made a ****** decision to refuse the deal in 2009 because it was fair.

I think manny was smart to turn down $40 mil no ppv because he IMO he'll get more if he leaves TR.

I think floyd was ****** to offer the $40 mil no ppv deal beacuse it gave ammunition to those who already blame him for manny turning down a fair deal.

I think floyd is smart to not offer manny as good a deal as dec 2009 because he has very lucrative options in Cotto, Sergio, Canelo and Khan (in england).

[The Big Dunn]

Really? Last I heard, BOTH camps acknowledged that testing was a non issue.

PLay ****** all you want. Manny waited 5 months to accept OST. He deserves to be held accountable for waiting until after the deal was off the table. If it was any other fighter besides manny, you'd agree.