Better win for first title: Mayweather or Pacquiao

[HEZEKYHWH]

probably the worst thread ever..............................

duh


so an olympic gold medalist who had everything handed to him (as far as getting fights and exposure goes) had a better first title win than an obscure asian fighter with no amateur career worth mentioning. wow, that means a lot.

HOLD UP, YOU CANT DOWN PLAY PACS AMATEUR COMPETITION HE WAS FACING DECENT ASIAN FIGHTERS LIKE.......






LORD RAIDEN

I mean this is top notch competition!!! The dude is a goddamn thunder god!!!!




LUI KANG

Would you really wanna get bicycle kicked in the goddamn face in a supposed boxing match?? Lui Kang was known for cheating and kicking and shat......




SUB-ZERO


The last guy has a dash in his name so you know he's a beast, and all of them were potential EARTH CHAMPIONS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT.....

On paper they all could have beat SHAO KHAN for earth realms mightiest warrior title....

[Roman Moreno]

not on paper yuri ( the guy that sasakul beat prior to pac) was not in the p4p but he should've been. they ruled him out just based on inactivity. so in reality, he was still a p4p fighter .

What source are you going by? By the end of 1996 he was removed from The Ring P4P list. He fought Sasakul in 97. And, he wasn't removed at the end of 1996 because of inactivity since he fought 4 months prior to that removal. Unless you're going by another source.

even if u consider arbachakov that high, hernandez still looks more impressive in his wins leading up to the fight and he has the better resume.

the argument for pacs win isnt in sasakul's resume for me, its in the circumstances around which pac won.

This is how I feel too. Even though Sasakul was a very solid to good fighter. Had some skills. But, what makes that win good is the circumstances around it.

[Kagami Taiga]

no

the only argument here is which win is better, not who has the better resume.

and it's not ho you fight , its when you fought them.

coz if we based everything on that logic, pac's win over hoya is better than floyd's win over corrales.

it's not who, it's when!

so what is your gripe with when floyd fought hernandez?? was he old? shot? coming off a loss? or was he still the best fighter in the division, coming off a series of impressive wins? ur saying a lot but it doesnt mean much because hernandez was the man in the division when floyd fought him

[Atreyu Khalil]

Yea I touched that as well earlier. Chicanito became lineal when he beat "The Professor".

yup its official, i am going to re-watch that fight tonight. I haven't seen it in a couple of years.

[punchville]

What source are you going by? By the end of 1996 he was removed from The Ring P4P list. He fought Sasakul in 97. And, he wasn't removed at the end of 1996 because of inactivity since he fought 4 months prior to that removal. Unless you're going by another source.



This is how I feel too. Even though Sasakul was a very solid to good fighter. Had some skills. But, what makes that win good is the circumstances around it.

the ring. he was taken off the list unjustifiably!

[ronnie_N.]

floyd
- has impressive amateur background
- olympic medalist
- fought genaro in US

manny
- amateur? what the hell is amateur?
- won plastic trophies in local pro fights
- fought sasakul in his backyard


floyd beat the better fighter, but manny has the better win...

[Roman Moreno]

the ring. he was taken off the list unjustifiably!

How so?

When at that time all these fighters were better

Roy Jones Jr.
Oscar De La Hoya
Pernell Whitaker
Felix Trinidad
Ricardo Lopez
Junior Jones
Kostya Tszyu
Terry Norris
Evander Holyfield
Mark Johnson

How can ranking those 10 at that time. unjustifiable? Is not like Arbachakov was fighting murders row at this time. Tell me why YOU rank Arbachakov at this time ahead of any of those 10?

[Roman Moreno]

floyd
- has impressive amateur background
- olympic medalist
- fought genaro in US

manny
- amateur? what the hell is amateur?
- won plastic trophies in local pro fights
- fought sasakul in his backyard


floyd beat the better fighter, but manny has the better win...

FWIW, Pac has an amateur career. Of course not as great as Floyd but nevertheless had amateur experience.

[Kagami Taiga]

floyd
- has impressive amateur background
- olympic medalist
- fought genaro in US

manny
- amateur? what the hell is amateur?
- won plastic trophies in local pro fights
- fought sasakul in his backyard


floyd beat the better fighter, but manny has the better win...

while i agree with some of what you said, 1. genaro was an american, he was from California if im not mistaken. floyd fought him in las vegas but floyd wasnt a vegas local as of yet so the home field advantage wasnt really floyds. 2. manny was an amatuer and he has an amateur record.

[ronnie_N.]

while i agree with some of what you said, 1. genaro was an american, he was from California if im not mistaken. floyd fought him in las vegas but floyd wasnt a vegas local as of yet so the home field advantage wasnt really floyds. 2. manny was an amatuer and he has an amateur record.

yes, manny has an amateur record but not as good or great compared to others such as floyd's or oscar's... sorry for the misleading sarcasm...

yes, genaro is an american (born in cali), but again, fight was made in US (home of both genares and floyd) and floyd has the buzz going on for him for his feat at the olympics... unlike sasakul-pacquiao which was held in thailand... i thought manny has the bigger balls for going to sasakul's turf and snatching his belt...