Floyd could have had a DQ loss to Judah?

[Casper101]

In light of what happened last night in the Kirkland-Molina fight, do you think Floyd should have been DQ'd for Roger storming the ring and attacking Zab? Molina's cornerman/trainer just briefly stepped inside the ring while the ref was counting and the fight was called a DQ due to it.

Can somebody with good knowledge of the rules break it down? What's the difference between those two fights? Is it to the refs discretion?



edit:ref was Richard Steele, same guy from the Chavez-Taylor 1 fight.

Ref stopped the action (called timeout) in the Floyd fight, Molina was in the middle of the fight . Anyways it was a BS call in both fights

[daggum]

Ref stopped the action (called timeout) in the Floyd fight, Molina was in the middle of the fight . Anyways it was a BS call in both fights

i didn't know you were allowed to jump into the ring and start punching people during timeouts.

[Champ Is Here]

i didn't know you were allowed to jump into the ring and start punching people during timeouts.

And Rog got suspended a whole year for that

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[Kagami Taiga]

The rule states during(from bell to bell) the round the chief second can NOT go inside the ring. If he does the fighter surrenders the fight.

Once the bell rings the round is over. They have 1 full minute to get to work. Once the bell ring to start a new round the chief second needs to be out of the ring.

By the letter of the rule Molina trainer was in the right.

Now the timekeeper is the issue. No matter if the round is over. He can NOT ring the bell until the referee finished his count and the ref checks out the fighter to see if he could continue or not. Now it doesn't matter if it's the end of the round since you can't be save by the bell. If the ref feels you can't continue then it would TKO loss. That's not what happened here though.

Now the ref fault is that he didn't hear the bell or he heard it and just didn't know the rules.

you are right but wrong. a count always negates a bell. therefore even tho the bell rung, the cornerman was not supposed to enter because there was a count. he should have been paying attention he messed up but with that said, i agree it was a horrible dq, but it is still valid by letter of the rule. a count negates the bell. and what i mean by a count negates the bell is that even if the bell rung, if there is a count, the cornerman absolutely should not enter the ring. thats why the other cornerman told him to get out. so yes, the bell shouldnt have rung, but the cornerman was also wrong and it is clear he wasnt paying attention

[Dirk Diggler UK]

And Rog got suspended a whole year for that

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He was suspended for the Baldomir fight.

[edgarg]

The rule states during(from bell to bell) the round the chief second can NOT go inside the ring. If he does the fighter surrenders the fight.

Once the bell rings the round is over. They have 1 full minute to get to work. Once the bell ring to start a new round the chief second needs to be out of the ring.

By the letter of the rule Molina trainer was in the right.

Now the timekeeper is the issue. No matter if the round is over. He can NOT ring the bell until the referee finished his count and the ref checks out the fighter to see if he could continue or not. Now it doesn't matter if it's the end of the round since you can't be save by the bell. If the ref feels you can't continue then it would TKO loss. That's not what happened here though.

Now the ref fault is that he didn't hear the bell or he heard it and just didn't know the rules.

The comments that "the bell can't be rung until the count is over"....and "you can't be saved by the bell" are incompatible with one another, they are contradictory.......i think.

A fighter can't be "saved by the bell" if the bell isn't allowed to be rung.......I think.

[daggum]

He was suspended for the Baldomir fight.

floyd really needed him in that one..........

"roger how do i beat the journeyman without you?"-floyd

"you don't know s-hit about boxing!"-roger mayweather

[Larry the boss]

action was stopped when roger came in...the ref was counting when the Molino ko happend

[BoxingGenius27]

First off, Judah could've been DQ'd by Steele even before Roger entered the ring, for not only intentionally hitting Floyd low, but following up with 2 more shots; one being to the back of the head, which is also illegal.

Secondly, Molina could've been DQ'd for clinching 118 times totaling 7-8 rounds worth of clinching (20-23 minutes).

That said, could Floyd, Molina, and Judah all have been DQ'd for fouls? Absolutely.

Should Floyd or Zab have been DQ'd? No.

Should Molina have been DQ'd for his cornerman entering the ring? No.

[edgarg]

I recall when the rule about "Can't be saved by the bell" was made. What then occured was that the ref would continue counting after the bell had sounded. But the bell did sound. otherwise the rule would have been useless.

Before that, it had happened that fighters were dragged senseless to their corners waking up to find they'd won the fight.