Molina Ward Hopkins... What's the difference???

[nomadman]

Molina reminds me of a less skilled version of Andre Ward, more so than he does Hopkins. Like Ward, he dives in with the head and wrestles and pushes his opponents back to the ropes where he gets free and starts ripping them with hooks when they're not expecting it. It's a pretty ugly and dirty tactic, but at least he's working while he's doing it, not just clinching to stall the action or get through the rounds.

I'd consider myself, if not a bonafide Ward fan, then at least a grudging admirer of his skills and his tactical abilities. I can appreciate Molina for the same thing.

Any geniune Ward fan has no leg to stand on criticising Molina.

[IronDanHamza]

I wouldn't say they are the same but it is hard to critisize a fighter for holding whilst being a fan of Hopkins and Ward.

Both have held excessively in their time. Despite being far superior fighters.

[BoxingGenius27]

LoL @ cowardiness. No that's not cowardiness. And, there is no difference in the way Ward and Hopkins fought in certain fights to the way Molina fought last night. And, Molina like Ward and Hopkins don't fight the same way in every fight. Which again has to do with boxing IQ, craftiness, and versatility. Molina just skill for skill and talent for talent is on the level of Ward and Hopkins. But, he is good at what he does.

I'm not saying only blacks anything.

I'm sorry if you want we can talk about K2 brothers in a Molina subject. I was just sticking to the subject.

But, Lennox Lewis use to get bash for his style while fighting. Once he retired people appreciated him more. But, while he was active a lot of fans bashed him for it. People bash Wlad nos who at times is similar to Lewis. Some of the Lewis fans bash him which is ridiculous. However, like Lewis Wlad might get appreciated more once he retires. Maybe not, we cross the bridge when we get there.

I like Wlad though. I think when it's all said and done, he will be a top 15 ATG HW.

Anyways, like I said ethnicity plays a role, fanboy-ism plays a role, lets be honest you're a huge Ward and Kirkland fan, that plays a role. More importantly here though. I think it's expectations that is clouding people judgement.

The onus was on Kirkland though. Ruiz wasn't able to impose his style on Roy. Molina wouldn't have been able to do that against Floyd Jr.

I hear what you're saying and yes I'm a kirkland and Ward fan.

I like Kirkland's nuts and guts, balls on the wall style. I like Ward's aggressiveness and the fact that he's never lost since 12 years of age. I also like Chuck Liddel.

Ethnicity plays no role.

Here's what you don't understand. If Ward, Hopkins, Liddel or Kirkland fought like Molina did last night. I would be saying the same exact thing.

But that's just it. The above fighter's don't fight the way Molina fought last night on a consistent basis. I didn't like Hopkins fight against Wright and I've said that previously.

If someone thought ever thought Ward fought like Molina did last night, I would ask to see the fight, then I would compare the two. But I'm pretty sure, no one can reference a fight with Kirkland or Ward and say it's similar to how Molina fought.

While I was rooting for Kirkland, and admit Molina was winning, I just don't like how he was winning.

I call overly excessing holding, grappling throughout the fight on a continuous basis everytime a guy hurts you cowardly, while you call it smart.

I hear what you're saying. you're saying why couldn't Kirk be like Mayweather and adjust. Well damn it, not everyone is Floyd Mayweather Jr. The ref should've stopped that holding a long time ago and Molina should've manned up and fought when Kirk hurt him instead of clinging to him like a bictch.

[polarcub]

First off the most important subject

Wlad is like a C- poor man's boring version of Lennox Lewis. Lennox's fights were actually extremely interesting and exciting to watch.

Take a 'boring' Lewis fight for example. David Tua vs Lennox. If you actauly watch the fight without listening to negative comments about it, you will realize that fight was packed with action. Tua was taking BOMBS from Lewis all night and Lewis danced around him like Ali use to do. Tua even swing hard during the mid rounds but was just out skilled.

Wladimir fights like that except 1- he never throw bombs 2-he is ***ing slow as hell in his movements 3- he don't look good moving like lennox do 4- he holds 10x as much and don't look slick doing it.

Wlad is a poor man's Lennox. Lennox also delivered us such amazing fights like
Ruddock Grant Golota Mercer Vitali Tyson Gary Mason Bruno etc. Even the Morrison fight was pumping. Wladimir delivered us 1 exciting fight his entire subpar career. Wladimir vs Corrie Sanders. That was the only good fight he been in so no way anyone will remember Wlad as anything more then a placeholder Lewis until a new Lennox take his place.

Wlad is a placeholder. That's it.

Lennox is a ATG.

[BoxingGenius27]

First off the most important subject

Wlad is like a C- poor man's boring version of Lennox Lewis. Lennox's fights were actually extremely interesting and exciting to watch.

Take a 'boring' Lewis fight for example. David Tua vs Lennox. If you actauly watch the fight without listening to negative comments about it, you will realize that fight was packed with action. Tua was taking BOMBS from Lewis all night and Lewis danced around him like Ali use to do. Tua even swing hard during the mid rounds but was just out skilled.

Wladimir fights like that except 1- he never throw bombs 2-he is ***ing slow as hell in his movements 3- he don't look good moving like lennox do 4- he holds 10x as much and don't look slick doing it.

Wlad is a poor man's Lennox. Lennox also delivered us such amazing fights like
Ruddock Grant Golota Mercer Vitali Tyson Gary Mason Bruno etc. Even the Morrison fight was pumping. Wladimir delivered us 1 exciting fight his entire subpar career. Wladimir vs Corrie Sanders. That was the only good fight he been in so no way anyone will remember Wlad as anything more then a placeholder Lewis until a new Lennox take his place.

Wlad is a placeholder. That's it.

Lennox is a ATG.

Are you KingVitali? lol

I could've sworn he had this same exact post before he deleted/edited it.

[polarcub]

I felt like I had to bring up Lennox Lewis because clueless fans get the misconception that he is boring as well just like Hopkins and Wladimir.

That is clueless.

If you can't tell the difference between Lennox and Boring Wlad (

[polarcub]

The difference is this

People have to understand


MOLINA DID THIS BECAUSE HE'S UNDERCLASS

[polarcub]

I don't get how people fail to understand the simple logic




WLADIMIR DID THIS BECAUSE HE'S BORING AS ***


Molina did this because if he don't

HE WILL GET

KNOCK THE *** OUT.

I mean jesus come on people open your eyes right?

When Wlad do this it's 10x as bad because Wlad is doing this against massive underdogs.

Molina did this just to SURVIVE or he woulda died in that ring from kirkland bombs.. Come on. nobody notice this? lol. I mean Molina is a C- Fighter with one trick. This one

If he don't use it

he dies

It's disgusting how people try to bring race into this when it's mainly about a ****ty ref and simple survival

Like seriously people try to be neutral and don't let your bias cloud your eyes u know?

For example
I admit I'm a big Lennox Lewis fan, but I'm always neutral and I always give other HW'S their fair shake and tell it just like it is. I never let bias cloud my eyes

If you are a big kirkland or Molina fan don't let bias cloud your judgement and say it like it is

[Roman Moreno]

But also Hopkins and ward had 10x the credentials of this kid. Keep that in mind as well.

First off the most important subject

Wlad is like a C- poor man's boring version of Lennox Lewis. Lennox's fights were actually extremely interesting and exciting to watch.

Take a 'boring' Lewis fight for example. David Tua vs Lennox. If you actauly watch the fight without listening to negative comments about it, you will realize that fight was packed with action. Tua was taking BOMBS from Lewis all night and Lewis danced around him like Ali use to do. Tua even swing hard during the mid rounds but was just out skilled.

Wladimir fights like that except 1- he never throw bombs 2-he is ***ing slow as hell in his movements 3- he don't look good moving like lennox do 4- he holds 10x as much and don't look slick doing it.

Wlad is a poor man's Lennox. Lennox also delivered us such amazing fights like
Ruddock Grant Golota Mercer Vitali Tyson Gary Mason Bruno etc. Even the Morrison fight was pumping. Wladimir delivered us 1 exciting fight his entire subpar career. Wladimir vs Corrie Sanders. That was the only good fight he been in so no way anyone will remember Wlad as anything more then a placeholder Lewis until a new Lennox take his place.

Wlad is a placeholder. That's it.

Lennox is a ATG.

King Vitali you're not slick. I saw your original post.

[polarcub]

King Vitali you're not slick. I saw your original post.

I thought that was obvious

I wanted to post the main opinions on the 2nd alt instead of the 3rd alt.


If you can't figure out who my main toon is .. that's not slick.

Every post I ever make on every toon of mine is either a lennox lewis post or something that indirectly lead to his career.....

This is not hard to figure out

That being said I never once unfairly critized another boxer

because of his race or ethcnitiy

something people in this thread is doing