Molina Ward Hopkins... What's the difference???

[BoxingGenius27]

The Froch Ward fight. Ward did it all night long. Ward would bend over, stick his arm out, run in and grab Froch, then push him up against the ropes. That is the same thing Molina did most of the fight. Probably the big difference is that the ref didn't go in and break it up as fast, giving Ward more time to get his hands free so he could throw some punches. Peterson also did the same thing against Khan.

Personally I am not a big fan of any of those fighters (Molina, Kirkland, Peterson, Khan, Ward, or Froch).

No one is saying Ward doesn't clinch.

It's the overly excessive clinching that Molina did is the difference. Ward didn't clinch Froch without punching for 20 seconds at a time. Ward was fighting in close quarters, not completely holding for long period's of time. Molina straight up held without letting go at times.

If Ward fought Froch the way Molina fought Kirkland, I would say the same thing. I don't see any similarities between the two fights what so ever.

If you're talking about 10-15 seconds where Ward did what Molina did that's one thing.

But I'm talking about the entire fight.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Also Peterson and Molina are not the same lol

Peterson actually worked on the inside and rarely clinched. The clinching was coming from Khan.

[LEATHERF8CE]

I've always respected that kind of style, using the smothering as your defense and mixing up your punches at the same time...Watched the Molina fight last night, Its all about how you use it, Its a good style but Molina needs alot of work on it, first few rounds he looked ok, he was coming in and backing out descent. but he got very sloppy the rest of the fight. Rolling with punches and being slick helps the style very much, which molina lacks...i think this style is all wrong for molina..

[ElMeroChingon]

No one is saying Ward doesn't clinch.

It's the overly excessive clinching that Molina did is the difference. Ward didn't clinch Froch without punching for 20 seconds at a time. Ward was fighting in close quarters, not completely holding for long period's of time. Molina straight up held without letting go at times.

If Ward fought Froch the way Molina fought Kirkland, I would say the same thing. I don't see any similarities between the two fights what so ever.

If you're talking about 10-15 seconds where Ward did what Molina did that's one thing.

But I'm talking about the entire fight.

Do you see what I'm saying?

lol

Brah it's the same ****.



"oh oh but Molina holds for two extra seconds, dude aint slik psssshhhhh"


LMAO!!!!!


GTFO!!!

[KnockUTheFukOut]

the rules are not going to change just to make a few 14 year old fans on a Boxing Forum happy

no they are not going to stop fighters from clinching, how about fighters learn how to fight inside more? instead of allowing themselves to be clinched to avoid fighting inside

vicious body shots can keep someone from Clinching as well as a good JAB along with Footwork

a lot of these fighters are just Overrated and One Dimensional and fighters like Molina, Ward and Hopkins are smart enough to take advantage of that...Molina just took away Kirkland's Power by smothering him, as did Ward against Froch and Abraham as did B-Hop against Pavlik as did Alexander against Maidana

and by the Way Molina don't always fight like that, it was just the right strategy for Kirkland and IT WAS THE RIGHT STRATEGY!

[bose]

Henry Akinwande vs. Lennox Lewis, hold fest of the year (decade)! Look it up.

Too much hate on Molina who had a great startegy to set up his punchs and take advantage of Kirklands aggression.

A more conditioned Molina out works and out muscles Kirkland again.

[BoxingGenius27]

lol

Brah it's the same ****.



"oh oh but Molina holds for two extra seconds, dude aint slik psssshhhhh"


LMAO!!!!!


GTFO!!!

No, I'm talking about out of the entire fight, Ward clinching for 10 seconds without working on the inside.

Not the entire 34 minutes of a 36 minute fight. Molina clinched for about 27 minutes out of 30 minutes.

Stop fighting what I'm saying. Try to understand it first.

[BoxingGenius27]

the rules are not going to change just to make a few 14 year old fans on a Boxing Forum happy

no they are not going to stop fighters from clinching, how about fighters learn how to fight inside more? instead of allowing themselves to be clinched to avoid fighting inside

vicious body shots can keep someone from Clinching as well as a good JAB along with Footwork

a lot of these fighters are just Overrated and One Dimensional and fighters like Molina, Ward and Hopkins are smart enough to take advantage of that...Molina just took away Kirkland's Power by smothering him, as did Ward against Froch and Abraham as did B-Hop against Pavlik as did Alexander against Maidana

and by the Way Molina don't always fight like that, it was just the right strategy for Kirkland and IT WAS THE RIGHT STRATEGY!

Please tell me how Kirkland can throw a punch when Molina had his right arm held under his armpit. Molina then had his left arm tied up as well.

You're telling me Kirkland should've been going to the body all this time?

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Henry Akinwande vs. Lennox Lewis, hold fest of the year (decade)! Look it up.

Too much hate on Molina who had a great startegy to set up his punchs and take advantage of Kirklands aggression.

A more conditioned Molina out works and out muscles Kirkland again.

EXACTLY!

and never mind that fact that Molina was blasting Kirkland in the face with shots before clinching him, it is not Molina's job to ALLOW KIRKLAND TO GET OFF OFFENSIVELY! He took away the only think Kirkland has...HIS POWER!

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Please tell me how Kirkland can throw a punch when Molina had his right arm held under his armpit. Molina then had his left arm tied up as well.

You're telling me Kirkland should've been going to the body all this time?

well why the HELL DID KIRKLAND KEEP PUTTING HIS HANDS DOWN, even the announces mentioned that during the fight and I think even Wolfe told him to get his hands up

All Molina was doing was ducking underneath Kirkland's HEAD HUNTING WILD PUNCHES and getting inside and disrupting Kirkland's Rhythm, it is not the Refs job to CREATE SPACE FOR KIRKLAND that is Kirkland's Job!

[Yogi007]

are you serious? peterson didnt initiate a single clinch in that fight, it was all khan! khan grabbed hold of him, pushed his head down and put him in freakin' headlocks anytime peterson tried to get inside. peterson wanted nothing to do with the grappling he was just looking to let his hands go.

ward didnt really grab froch either when he did what you described, dont get me wrong he did clinch against him but not like that. when he did that he was just getting under frochs punches and then using his shoulder to smother him and push him backwards, he wasnt grabbing him at all.

Both Ward and Peterson both bucked down, ran in, grabbed their opponents, then bullied them to the ropes. It is the same thing that Molina did, but Molina didn't ducked down. Would it have been better if Molina would have ducked down before he did it, so that way he could say that he was just "getting under their punches"?

It doesn't matter why they are doing it, because they are still doing it. It doesn't matter who is doing it more ofter, because again, they are still doing it. I will also agree with the face that Khan clinched threw the fight also.