Molina Ward Hopkins... What's the difference???

[MJ223]

the TS asked what's the difference. I provided the difference between hopkins & molina. I don't know what you're rambling on about.

I didn't say the difference between the two fighters.... I asked the difference between the styles they chose to employ??? So far u gave me he's (Hopkins) old he had good performances before and he's a better fighter.... That was pretty much it....

[ИATAS]

Fights have already been mentioned of how Hopkins tactic was worse than Molina was last night.

Thanks for your input though.

so you can't do it and you should clearly see the difference now.

[Doctor_Tenma]

SoOo ur telling me out of all those clinches last night it wasn't not 1 where Molina worked on the inside???

How did you jump to that conclusion? In many instances he'd run the clock via spoiling, illegal tactics, then steal the round, at times he would work but holding and shoving without doing much offensively were there and it would last for long stretches of the round. I'm not a Kirkland fan and this has nothing to do with ethnicity.

[Roman Moreno]

so you can't do it and you should clearly see the difference now.

I actually did and see no difference.

Again Natas thanks for your input though.

[BoxingGenius27]

Why? There is no difference Dom. This goes down to 3 things.

An, ethnicity thing...There are some people who have that agenda on both sides.

Fan boy-ism. You might be a die-hard Hopkins/Ward fan. That you might ignore them and then choose to criticize Molina. Or you might be a huge fan of Kirkland who didn't like to see that offensive machine get his offense taken away.

Or it can be the expectations(I think this is the most likely one). Where you know Hopkins is going to fight, you know Ward is going to fight. That you going into that fight thinking "ugliness" "clinching" you mindset is already prepared to see that kind of stuff that you don't see how bad it is. Some people anticipate that tactic so much that when they see it doing it, it's seen as skill, craftiness.

But, the anticipation for Molina-Kirkland was different. People had genuine excitement for that fight. And, rightfully so. Molina had never fought in that manner, in that way before, and he had been with big strong pressure fighter as well. Kirkland had never been in a dull fight. So watching this fight transpire after having such high expectations for this fight. Seeing how it played out it could leave a bad taste in the mouth. Where you can act like this is the worse thing ever.

But, really is no different than what Hopkins or Ward does. At the end of the day Molina had the right game plan and outsmarted Kirkland. You think if Floyd Jr was in there with Molina that Molina would have been clinching him as much? Or would have Floyd adjusted and hand answer for it. And, be in absolute total control in the 2nd half of the fight?

Lets remember how John Ruiz style was. Was he able to do that with the likes of Roy Jones? I personally am more upset with the way Kirkland fought than the way Molina fought. Kirkland should have put a stop to that earlier in the fight. But, he obviously he didn't know how to. So he couldn't do it. That's on Kirkland not Molina.

I have no problem with this style at all. I respected and like with Ward does, I respect when Hopkins does it, I respect Molina game plan and style last night.

And, I will say it again these to me are the top 2 JMW. Their resume at 154 are better than anyone else in that division.

Again, Ward and Molina are not the same.

Ward actually works on the inside. He does a bit of holding, but Molina was excessive. I'll say it again. Excessive.

Not only was he holding, but he wasn't working. Kirkland had to resort to rabbit punches for 20 seconds at a time because Molina wouldn't let him go.

That's cowardness.

Lastly, let's be straight up. You're saying only black guys are the one's against Molina, but advocating Hopkins and Ward.

But what you're leaving out is the same guys advocating Molina, hate on the K2 bros. Why aren't you calling them racist?

[ИATAS]

I didn't say the difference between the two fighters.... I asked the difference between the styles they chose to employ??? So far u gave me he's (Hopkins) old he had good performances before and he's a better fighter.... That was pretty much it....

that alone is a huge difference (hopkins a much better fighter, he's 40+ years old when he clinches a lot).

Additionally when hopkins clinches, the ref comes and breaks it up and they go back to fighting. It's usually a relatively quick sequence. Molina at times literally held on for 30 seconds and did nothing. Even in hopkins stinker fights you wont see him do that, nor will you see him grab a guy in the middle of the ring, push him all the way to the ropes and just hold him there which molina did over and over.

[Doctor_Tenma]

that alone is a huge difference (hopkins a much better fighter, he's 40+ years old when he clinches a lot).

Additionally when hopkins clinches, the ref comes and breaks it up and they go back to fighting. It's usually a relatively quick sequence. Molina at times literally held on for 30 seconds and did nothing. Even in hopkins stinker fights you wont see him do that, nor will you see him grab a guy in the middle of the ring, push him all the way to the ropes and just hold him there which molina did over and over.

Exactly, now how are people failing to see this?!

[ИATAS]

Exactly, now how are people failing to see this?!

because they want to make it a race issue. Typical NSB smh

[WarMaidana]

they are all dirty boring fighters and shouldnt be in boxing if thats how they're gonna fight

[Roman Moreno]

Again, Ward and Molina are not the same.

Ward actually works on the inside. He does a bit of holding, but Molina was excessive. I'll say it again. Excessive.

Not only was he holding, but he wasn't working. Kirkland had to resort to rabbit punches for 20 seconds at a time because Molina wouldn't let him go.

That's cowardness.

Lastly, let's be straight up. You're saying only black guys are the one's against Molina, but advocating Hopkins and Ward.

But what you're leaving out is the same guys advocating Molina, hate on the K2 bros. Why aren't you calling them racist?

LoL @ cowardiness. No that's not cowardiness. And, there is no difference in the way Ward and Hopkins fought in certain fights to the way Molina fought last night. And, Molina like Ward and Hopkins don't fight the same way in every fight. Which again has to do with boxing IQ, craftiness, and versatility. Molina just skill for skill and talent for talent is on the level of Ward and Hopkins. But, he is good at what he does.

I'm not saying only blacks anything.

I'm sorry if you want we can talk about K2 brothers in a Molina subject. I was just sticking to the subject.

But, Lennox Lewis use to get bash for his style while fighting. Once he retired people appreciated him more. But, while he was active a lot of fans bashed him for it. People bash Wlad nos who at times is similar to Lewis. Some of the Lewis fans bash him which is ridiculous. However, like Lewis Wlad might get appreciated more once he retires. Maybe not, we cross the bridge when we get there.

I like Wlad though. I think when it's all said and done, he will be a top 15 ATG HW.

Anyways, like I said ethnicity plays a role, fanboy-ism plays a role, lets be honest you're a huge Ward and Kirkland fan, that plays a role. More importantly here though. I think it's expectations that is clouding people judgement.

The onus was on Kirkland though. Ruiz wasn't able to impose his style on Roy. Molina wouldn't have been able to do that against Floyd Jr.