Molina Ward Hopkins... What's the difference???

[turbotime]

Oh that fight... oh my goodness.

Honestly you can't defend Hopkins nor Ward for that matter and criticize Molina.

And it's no surprise the Ward and Hops fans are in to defend.

The irony of life sometimes

[Discipline]

show me a fight where molina schools someone like hopkins did tito, pavlik, pascal, glen johnson, etc.

yes, hopkins has some stinkers too especially after turning 40 years old, specifically calzaghe & jones, but he also has amazing performances. Molina fights this way in all of his fights. All of them. That's what he does. Hopkins clinches these days to slow down the pace because he's old. He also works the inside, not hold on for 30 seconds straight without doing anything or driving the guy into the ropes. When b-hop was younger he fought like this:






Now show me a molina fight where he fights like that, all my points if you you can. thanks!

This should be interesting

[Mister Wolf]

I'm criticizing anyone who is ****tin on Molina while defending Ward and Hopkins actions...Which is you too. I don't have to bump anything. You defended Ward in this thread.

My post is to anyone who feels that they need to defend their action. Kind of like you. I don't got to mention any names or bump anything. If you're reading my post and and feel offended so much so that you feel you need to defend yourself, or you think I'm about you...Then yes I am talking about you. Go cry about it.

Hopkins as a young man fought nothing like ward or molina sir. you are comparing a young molina to a 40+ year old hopkins. look at hopkins vs glen johnson highlights on youtube and see what the executioner was about as a young fighter, it wasn't hugging or a wrestling match sir. molina is a young fighter doing this stuff. I've never thought its ok for old man hopkins to hold and hit but don't act like his whole career he was based on him fighting that way because thats a lie. even in his second fight with echols bernard got a point taken away for excessive holding. molina should have got the same treatment last night.

[BoxingGenius27]

Genius doesn't fit u too well.....

It's sad ur happy with that "win"

Boxingscene sign of when someone has lost an argument, rule #9:

#9 - Critize a member's username.

[Ki11a Cam]

I'm criticizing anyone who is ****tin on Molina while defending Ward and Hopkins actions...Which is you too. I don't have to bump anything. You defended Ward in this thread.

My post is to anyone who feels that they need to defend their action. Kind of like you. I don't got to mention any names or bump anything. If you're reading my post and and feel offended so much so that you feel you need to defend yourself, or you think I'm about you...Then yes I am talking about you. Go cry about it.

Again....

Exactly...but you seem intent on only looking at it from one point of view....that somehow Molinas ethnicity works against him........I havent once seen you point out to Molina fans that they hate on Ward/Hopkins when they do it.......TBH Im no fan of Ward/Hopkins but accept they are great fighters......

[MJ223]

show me a fight where molina schools someone like hopkins did tito, pavlik, pascal, glen johnson, etc.

yes, hopkins has some stinkers too especially after turning 40 years old, specifically calzaghe & jones, but he also has amazing performances. Molina fights this way in all of his fights. All of them. That's what he does. Hopkins clinches these days to slow down the pace because he's old. He also works the inside, not hold on for 30 seconds straight without doing anything or driving the guy into the ropes. When b-hop was younger he fought like this:






Now show me a molina fight where he fights like that, all my points if you you can. thanks!

So because Hopkins is old it's ok???

Because Hopkins has had some great performances it ok???

Both do what is best for them to win the fight..... As a boxing fan u have to appreciate that.... Every boxer fights different but employ similar styles.... Molina was doing what was best for him to get a W...... Because he hasn won a title he's not privileged enough to use that style???

[bojangles1987]

show me a fight where molina schools someone like hopkins did tito, pavlik, pascal, glen johnson, etc.

yes, hopkins has some stinkers too especially after turning 40 years old, specifically calzaghe & jones, but he also has amazing performances. Molina fights this way in all of his fights. All of them. That's what he does. Hopkins clinches these days to slow down the pace because he's old. He also works the inside, not hold on for 30 seconds straight without doing anything or driving the guy into the ropes. When b-hop was younger he fought like this:






Now show me a molina fight where he fights like that, all my points if you you can. thanks!

Molina is no Hopkins, and no one is saying that. But you can't pretend Hopkins has never stunk up a fight the way Molina did. That's my issue, people that are pretending Molina did something that's never been done.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Fact is neither of them run the clock, clinch and shove for as long as Molina does without letting their punches go. Both throw before tying up too. Molina does have skills, I'm not denying that but that is in no way comparable to Hopkins and Ward who can operate from all areas. Molina was still winning clearly, though I wouldn't say he's better than Kirkland as another ref could have neutralized a lot of Molina's tactics. I'm not even a fan of Kirkland, I said 154 is weak and I still believe that.

[Roman Moreno]

Then I have nothing to say if you think that.

Why? There is no difference Dom. This goes down to 3 things.

An, ethnicity thing...There are some people who have that agenda on both sides.

Fan boy-ism. You might be a die-hard Hopkins/Ward fan. That you might ignore them and then choose to criticize Molina. Or you might be a huge fan of Kirkland who didn't like to see that offensive machine get his offense taken away.

Or it can be the expectations(I think this is the most likely one). Where you know Hopkins is going to fight, you know Ward is going to fight. That you going into that fight thinking "ugliness" "clinching" you mindset is already prepared to see that kind of stuff that you don't see how bad it is. Some people anticipate that tactic so much that when they see it doing it, it's seen as skill, craftiness.

But, the anticipation for Molina-Kirkland was different. People had genuine excitement for that fight. And, rightfully so. Molina had never fought in that manner, in that way before, and he had been with big strong pressure fighter as well. Kirkland had never been in a dull fight. So watching this fight transpire after having such high expectations for this fight. Seeing how it played out it could leave a bad taste in the mouth. Where you can act like this is the worse thing ever.

But, really is no different than what Hopkins or Ward does. At the end of the day Molina had the right game plan and outsmarted Kirkland. You think if Floyd Jr was in there with Molina that Molina would have been clinching him as much? Or would have Floyd adjusted and hand answer for it. And, be in absolute total control in the 2nd half of the fight?

Lets remember how John Ruiz style was. Was he able to do that with the likes of Roy Jones? I personally am more upset with the way Kirkland fought than the way Molina fought. Kirkland should have put a stop to that earlier in the fight. But, he obviously he didn't know how to. So he couldn't do it. That's on Kirkland not Molina.

I have no problem with this style at all. I respected and like with Ward does, I respect when Hopkins does it, I respect Molina game plan and style last night.

And, I will say it again these to me are the top 2 JMW. Their resume at 154 are better than anyone else in that division.

[ИATAS]

So because Hopkins is old it's ok???

Because Hopkins has had some great performances it ok???

Both do what is best for them to win the fight..... As a boxing fan u have to appreciate that.... Every boxer fights different but employ similar styles.... Molina was doing what was best for him to get a W...... Because he hasn won a title he's not privileged enough to use that style???

the TS asked what's the difference. I provided the difference between hopkins & molina. I don't know what you're rambling on about.