Should Hatton be on the P4P list?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost.

When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists.

When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists.

When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists.

All of that was fair. They lost.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

P4p he would beat most of the top ten on your list.

That cannot be proved, and it's Toney's job to prove it. Beating Dominick Guinn and Evander Crustyfield doesn't do that.

If RJJ never beat Toney, you couldn't put him ahead of Toney p4p just cuz you think he would beat him. That's ******. You can voice your opinion that you think he'd win, but you can't reasonably rank himhigher until it HAPPENS.

When Toney beats Brew, Klit, etc, then he can crack top 10.

[USA4LIFE]

The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost.

When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists.

When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists.

When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists.

All of that was fair. They lost.

Good points, I agree totally and that's the way it should be.

[{BrownBomber}]

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will.

[oldgringo]

Toney doesn't deserve top 3. He has one significant win in the last 6-7 years (Jirov). Oldyfield wasn't a good win and his fight vs Ruiz was a NC. You cannot put someone top 3 p4p just based on how he's looked vs average guys when Toney doesn't have some kinda long term success sustained behind it. Toney is BELIEVED to be able to be a heavyweight champ, but he has to prove it. At absolute best, Toney should be near the bottom of the p4p list.

Funny, you say p4p isn't about career accomplishments but now you're bringing up Toney's career to slight him in a discussion about p4p rankings.

Many people feel that it's about your career, many feel it's about how the fighters would all stack up against each other if they were all in the same weight class. You tryin to tell me that you think the guys you listed before Toney would all beat him if they were in the same weight class? Get outta here...

The way you are approaching this is a "what have you done for me lately" stance. Toney has easily beaten everyone he's fought at heavyweight so far (even though there were no world beaters in that list) and has a shot to beat any/every champion in the division right now. I can't see your beef with anyone putting him in a top ten list hombre.

[oldgringo]

The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost.

When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists.

When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists.

When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists.

All of that was fair. They lost.

Raf Marquez should be top 3 or 4 p4p...it's really not much of a debate either.

[oldgringo]

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will.

Excellent post.

[Mech.]

Funny, you say p4p isn't about career accomplishments but now you're bringing up Toney's career to slight him in a discussion about p4p rankings.

Many people feel that it's about your career, many feel it's about how the fighters would all stack up against each other if they were all in the same weight class. You tryin to tell me that you think the guys you listed before Toney would all beat him if they were in the same weight class? Get outta here...

The way you are approaching this is a "what have you done for me lately" stance. Toney has easily beaten everyone he's fought at heavyweight so far (even though there were no world beaters in that list) and has a shot to beat any/every champion in the division right now. I can't see your beef with anyone putting him in a top ten list hombre.

You know, when he beat Ruiz people started to put him in the 10/9 spot.To me it was like, WTF its not like you had Ruiz in that position before the fight.

[Mech.]

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will.

I agree with your p4p logic,but then that last part about Taylor is just your opinion because you like Hop

[blockhead]

hatton should be on there and so should toney and taylor should be taken off. if he isnt exposed next saturday he will be very soon.