Will Wlad break Joe Louis's 25 title defenses?

[dan_cov]

in any case even if wlad can physically continue for 10 years more. David Price is gonna end his career. He is basicly a bigger version of Wlad.

David Price is a raw prospect whose best win is over a shot to ****, ancient, fat John McDermott.

His 2nd best win is against a guy who just got savaged by a 45yr old Matt Skelton who had been inactive for 18 months.

He is a 12 fight novice ffs and whilst I agree he's a good prospect he is absolutely noway near ready for Wlad.

All this talk of him needing 18 months/2 years
He realistically needs 5 and by that time Wlad is near 40.

[JAB5239]

Just out of curiosity, who were these part time fighters?

Have a look at his record, just seeing a 3-3 guy fighting the world champion tells me enough about this so called "great era".

And you still haven't answered my question bro.

[Daddy T]

i don't understand why so many people have to go to extremes when talking about the brothers. They are either completely **** and overrated or they are the greatest fighters of all time. The truth is obviously somewhere in between. They are simply the very good champions of a very poor era. its not their fault most of their opponents are ****, but you can't call them best ever either as to be the best you need to beat the best. And when the best wins on their records are the likes of haye/chag/byrd - decent but by no means outstanding fighters (and all beaten by wlad btw) you can but say they have done what has been required but have never had the oppurtunity to prove themselves (well accept for vitali's brave but failed attempt at the one ATG on either record Lewis)

[Salardo]

u guys do now that Joe Louis fought 90 per cent total bums. I mean REAL bums. Mormeck would be a "good opponent" on Louis' list when you look at the other guys he fought.

[JAB5239]

u guys do now that Joe Louis fought 90 per cent total bums. I mean REAL bums. Mormeck would be a "good opponent" on Louis' list when you look at the other guys he fought.

Yep, ok. And Primo Carnera would improve Wlads. Some of you guys truly have no clue what you're talking about, you just mimic what you hear from other misinformed fools.

[grape drink]

u guys do now that Joe Louis fought 90 per cent total bums. I mean REAL bums. Mormeck would be a "good opponent" on Louis' list when you look at the other guys he fought.

Joe Louis actually has a very good resume

All these guys I'm gonna mention now where the heavyweight champion of the world at one point or another in history and Louis beat them

Jersey Joe Walcott
Max Baer
Jim Braddock
Primo Carnera
Jack Sharkey
Max Schemling

This was in an era where the heavyweight champion of the world was the heavyweight champion of the world, there wasn't any alphabet titles like today.

Only one single guy on Wlads resume have ever been the heavyweight champion of the world, Rahman and he was way past prime when Wlad fought him. Sure guys like Haye, Chagaev and Ibragimov had their own alphabet title but none of them were an actual heavyweight champion. just titleholders.

This should really put some perspective for you.

Louis beat 6 heavyweight champions, Wlad beat 1.

[Superflo777]

Boxrec records are notoriously incomplete from earlier era's where records weren't as meticulously kept and in some cases lost. You can PM hhascup and ask him yourself as he is an editor there and one of their fact finders. So you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Just saying I have no idea because you assume all of Louis' record is wrong on Boxrec isn't really fair. What I see is no less than 8 fighters coming off a loss and getting a shot at Louis' heavyweight title, Tony Musto coming of a 2-4 record and 6-fight rookie Johnny Davis both fighting Louis. Unless these stats are proven wrong, I have a point.

[RlCKY]

You seriously wanna tell me Tony Musto or Johnny Davis were better than Chagaev, Haye or Tony Thompson?

How can anyone here even make that dissertation? Unless you were around in that era? I hate how Boxrec makes everyone boxing historians

[Superflo777]

How can anyone here even make that dissertation? Unless you were around in that era? I hate how Boxrec makes everyone boxing historians

Fantastic principle, basically disqualifies anyone younger than 70 to talk about Joe Louis because he/she wasn't around at the time. Also, if you can't know about the quality of these contenders, you can't be sure whether they were any better than today's contenders either. Duh.

[RlCKY]

Fantastic principle, basically disqualifies anyone younger than 70 to talk about Joe Louis because he/she wasn't around at the time. Also, if you can't know about the quality of these contenders, you can't be sure whether they were any better than today's contenders either. Duh.

Right, you can't argue that either way, that's my point.

And no, if you weren't around to see the fighters and the fights they were in, how does your opinion hold any weight? Anyone can type in boxrec.com in their browsers and have access to guys' records. So yes you can use the information for historical reference, but you can't form valid arguements compared to today's fighters based on a collection of names and records.