klitschko Vs Any American = Mismatch

[New England]

Chambers is plenty talented, and if Thompson didn't train hard he wouldn't even have cracked the top 100 because he lacks in almost every physical attribute that matters. Arreola is similar to Mitchell, skill wise, but his problems are that he's a lazy fat ***. Sad, but not a terminal problem given a few changes (his attitude for one).

At the moment though Seth doesn't have any wins on the scale of the above three, certainly not Chambers, who has one of the best resumes outside the Klits.

chambers is pretty fast. the most talented of the three.
fast eddie,

personally i dont think he's as purely talented a HW as mitchell, who can punch, does have speed, and is massive. we obviously dont know about his chin or stamina, both of which arent terrific for chambers, but got a bit underrated. he took bombs from wladimir up until his lights went out, and he had to work hard in that fight and boxed pretty good.

i think if chambers were in shape like mitchell (eating right and staying fit year round,) he'd be a small cruiserweight. i know that he was contemplating a move down to CW, which gives us an idea of his size.


i think chambers would box the doors off of mitchell right now
total mismatch.

[Medved]

Also New England.

I find it highly insulting to ALL Boxers out there who have dedicated their life to Boxing just so they can be compared to bums like Wilder by people like you saying "Well if the guys in NFL just became Boxers" etc etc

Ill just talk about 2 Boxers, Wlad and Floyd.

Its no secret what I think about Floyd's out of the ring Antics so I'll only be talking about Wlad and Floyd as Boxers.

Wlad and Floyd are without a doubt the most skilled Boxers in Boxing today from a technical/conditioning/ring smart viewpoint..... but it wasnt just Wlad sitting there as a kid saying "hey im going to be like 6"5 so why dont I become a Boxer"

No, Wlad and Floyd were in the gym as kids, grinding it out day in and day out, they both had great amateur careers, Wlad won the Gold medal in 1996, think about that for a second, 1996 was 16 years ago. Floyd was also medalist at the 1996 games.

Now take the time they were amateurs and think about how long they have been boxing just to win a medal at the olympics, 10 years? Just to be in the olympics they grinded it out for 10 years in a crappy gym. Now in 2012 they are still on top. Thats over 25 years of Boxing, of grinding in the gym day in and day out, dealing with the mental aspects.

Now name me one Boxer (any age) who's in a better shape in their respective Divisions?

Nobody in HW/CW/LHW division comes into Ring better shape than Wlad
Nobody in Welter/Super Welter comes into ring better shape than Floyd.

Why? Because they have dedicated their life into it.

and for you to sit there and say some BUM like Wilder + NFL Friends could become some great fighters but didnt "because they are in the NFL" is just BULLSHIET.

In Boxing you need to be Mentally Smart, Dedicated OVER DECADES, Not Injury Prone, ABLE TO HANDLE SET BACKS AND DEFEATS and you still need NATURAL ABILITY. Most of these NFL bums cant even play in the NFL for longer than 5-6 years, much less being dominant.

Name me JUST ONE NFL Player who was playing in College during 1996 and is still the TOP DOG in the NFL today?

Pisses me off when you say ****** stuff like that, ANYONE from ANY SPORT has a chance to become a great boxer, BUT THEY NEED TO DO IT AT AN EARLY AGE AND STICK WITH IT.

Sure Wilder and other's can get a few wins, but they can never do it like Wlad and Floyd have done for the last few decades.

and next time you say "NFL" why dont you include Soccer/Wrestling/Basketball/Tennis and all the other sports? Since the top Athlete's from these sports mightve been someone if they dedicated their life to Boxing, but to sit there with a straight face and pretend NFL has quality players that would be owning Boxing is just silly.

[nomadman]

chambers is pretty fast. the most talented of the three.
fast eddie,

Not sure what the laughter is for. Chambers is fast, and he does have talent.

personally i dont think he's as purely talented a HW as mitchell, who can punch, does have speed, and is massive. we obviously dont know about his chin or stamina, both of which arent terrific for chambers, but got a bit underrated. he took bombs from wladimir up until his lights went out, and he had to work hard in that fight and boxed pretty good.

Are you talking potential or talent right now? Mitchell and Chambers are totally different fighters. Chambers is a counter punching pot shotter with a tight shell defence, Mitchell is a come forward brawler with bad intentions. Still, the way Chambers fights requires a high degree of skill. His crispness, his timing and technique, and the way he hardly ever gets hit despite standing right in front of you demonstrate a higher degree of skill than anything Mitchell has shown thus far.

i think if chambers were in shape like mitchell (eating right and staying fit year round,) he'd be a small cruiserweight. i know that he was contemplating a move down to CW, which gives us an idea of his size.

He's no smaller than a lot of fighters of the past, and actually bigger than a lot of contenders from past eras. It's a shame he feels the need to bloat himself up to compete in the heavies. CW Chambers would still school a lot of fools like Fury and Helenius regardless of his size.

[UglyPug]

And Martinez is pretty awesome support for claiming all the top middleweights are playing soccer. No need to drag the NFL into this. Let Mitchell earn his stripes as a fighter, not a football reject.

I swear I can do nothing but laugh and shake my head when I hear all these idiots (who obviously don't know much about boxing) claim that "the NFL and NBA is stealing all the potential American HWs." I don't even know where to begin pointing out the LOGIC FAIL. . . it's such a flawed, irrational, and idiotic proposition. . .

[UglyPug]

Also New England.

I find it highly insulting to ALL Boxers out there who have dedicated their life to Boxing just so they can be compared to bums like Wilder by people like you saying "Well if the guys in NFL just became Boxers" etc etc

Ill just talk about 2 Boxers, Wlad and Floyd.

Its no secret what I think about Floyd's out of the ring Antics so I'll only be talking about Wlad and Floyd as Boxers.

Wlad and Floyd are without a doubt the most skilled Boxers in Boxing today from a technical/conditioning/ring smart viewpoint..... but it wasnt just Wlad sitting there as a kid saying "hey im going to be like 6"5 so why dont I become a Boxer"

No, Wlad and Floyd were in the gym as kids, grinding it out day in and day out, they both had great amateur careers, Wlad won the Gold medal in 1996, think about that for a second, 1996 was 16 years ago. Floyd was also medalist at the 1996 games.

Now take the time they were amateurs and think about how long they have been boxing just to win a medal at the olympics, 10 years? Just to be in the olympics they grinded it out for 10 years in a crappy gym. Now in 2012 they are still on top. Thats over 25 years of Boxing, of grinding in the gym day in and day out, dealing with the mental aspects.

Now name me one Boxer (any age) who's in a better shape in their respective Divisions?

Nobody in HW/CW/LHW division comes into Ring better shape than Wlad
Nobody in Welter/Super Welter comes into ring better shape than Floyd.

Why? Because they have dedicated their life into it.

and for you to sit there and say some BUM like Wilder + NFL Friends could become some great fighters but didnt "because they are in the NFL" is just BULLSHIET.

In Boxing you need to be Mentally Smart, Dedicated OVER DECADES, Not Injury Prone, ABLE TO HANDLE SET BACKS AND DEFEATS and you still need NATURAL ABILITY. Most of these NFL bums cant even play in the NFL for longer than 5-6 years, much less being dominant.

Name me JUST ONE NFL Player who was playing in College during 1996 and is still the TOP DOG in the NFL today?

Pisses me off when you say ****** stuff like that, ANYONE from ANY SPORT has a chance to become a great boxer, BUT THEY NEED TO DO IT AT AN EARLY AGE AND STICK WITH IT.

Sure Wilder and other's can get a few wins, but they can never do it like Wlad and Floyd have done for the last few decades.

and next time you say "NFL" why dont you include Soccer/Wrestling/Basketball/Tennis and all the other sports? Since the top Athlete's from these sports mightve been someone if they dedicated their life to Boxing, but to sit there with a straight face and pretend NFL has quality players that would be owning Boxing is just silly.

What? So you're saying that being big, athletic and good at sports like basketball and football doesn't mean you would be a great HW boxer? NONSENSE! The best indication of being a HW world champion boxer is being able to run in a straight line, for 40 yards, in under 4.4 seconds. . To be 6'6'', 260, and under 10% body fat. . To be able to press up and down 225 pounds 30 times. . You're so wrong, Medved. . .

[mathed]

already beaten thompson
arreola already beaten (and does not deserve remact after loss to adamek)
Michael Grant - Glass Chin

Seth Mitchell - who knpws, but right now too green.

maybe he Wlad should fight holyfield, grant and lawrence in one 12 rounder, 4 rounds each. proabaly knock them all out

So what about the European boxers that he has beaten as well?

I think it's fair to say that either Klitschko against anyone excluding themselves, is a mismatch.

[New England]

Not sure what the laughter is for. Chambers is fast, and he does have talent.



Are you talking potential or talent right now? Mitchell and Chambers are totally different fighters. Chambers is a counter punching pot shotter with a tight shell defence, Mitchell is a come forward brawler with bad intentions. Still, the way Chambers fights requires a high degree of skill. His crispness, his timing and technique, and the way he hardly ever gets hit despite standing right in front of you demonstrate a higher degree of skill than anything Mitchell has shown thus far.



He's no smaller than a lot of fighters of the past, and actually bigger than a lot of contenders from past eras. It's a shame he feels the need to bloat himself up to compete in the heavies. CW Chambers would still school a lot of fools like Fury and Helenius regardless of his size.

i'm talking about talent as a HW. that which you bring with you to the sport. the stuff you are born with and are not taught.
talent.


mitchell has more of it than chambers.
chambers isnt even a HW. if he were in the condition of top ten guys from bygone, 15 round eras he'd weigh in the high 180's.


of couse chambers is going to be the crisper boxer with a developed skill set. he's been boxing since he was a kid. i'm talking about raw talent.

[New England]

I swear I can do nothing but laugh and shake my head when I hear all these idiots (who obviously don't know much about boxing) claim that "the NFL and NBA is stealing all the potential American HWs." I don't even know where to begin pointing out the LOGIC FAIL. . . it's such a flawed, irrational, and idiotic proposition. . .

kid there are grown men in this thread having a discussion

and we've forgotten more about boxing in the past few weeks than you will ever know.

get a notebook out if you would like. otherwise i really dont want to hear from you outside of when you make a fool of yourself in the lounge.

[UglyPug]

kid there are grown men in this thread having a discussion

and we've forgotten more about boxing in the past few weeks than you will ever know.

get a notebook out if you would like. otherwise i really dont want to hear from you outside of when you make a fool of yourself in the lounge.

Hahaha. . this is the guy who has two pairs of skis and is going to get somebody he knows to wear a helmet cam so he can pretend it's him! WE believe ya! And who can't even skip rope, hit a boxing bag, or do anything related to boxing. . . Poor lil fella!!!!

Anyway, yeah, you really know a lot about boxing! Keep on educating us on how guys in the NFL and NBA would be world heavyweight champions if htey went into boxing instead!

[polarcub]

Lol why are you trolling with holyfield insults you ***. you do realize Holyfield is a ancient dinosaur rite? Older then a T REX?

A Prime Holyfield despite being outsizes and out muscled will send Wlad to the hospital. Also the vast majority of america's top athletes ARE in the nba and NFL. It is what it is.

You think if Lebron James started doing boxing at age 10 he can't knock out the K BROS . or if kobe bryant dedicated himself to boxing the way he did to basketball at a early age he won't be at least as great as either k bros?

Prime Ray Lewis boxing version KO K2