klitschko Vs Any American = Mismatch

[Superflo777]

how do you know this? lol

you clearly dont watch football, evidenced by the fact that you dont think football players display a chin


if you dont have a chin you get knocked the hell out in football

even if you do have a great chin you can get knocked the hell out


a 250 lb guy with world class speed for his size running into you at full speed with a helmet on is harder than anybody can punch, especially if you are running toward him yourself.
so much harder. there is no comparison.

How do you know he was at the lower end ot the talent pool? I don't know football, but I've read a lot about Mitchell and a lot of experts saying no doubt he would be in the NFL. And his statement boxing is a lot tougher than football from a guy that has done both convinces me, sorry.

[Superflo777]

and you think that arreola, thompson, and chambers are "mentally tough?"

Arreola was tough enough to go forward against Vitali Klitschko's bombs for 10 rounds and willing to go further, you can't know if all the NFL guys would be ready to suffer such pain for 12 rounds, or are you telling me a football game is more painful than getting punched in the face by a Klitschko for a whole hour?

[New England]

Arreola was tough enough to go forward against Vitali Klitschko's bombs for 10 rounds and willing to go further, you can't know if all the NFL guys would be ready to suffer such pain for 12 rounds, or are you telling me a football game is more painful than getting punches in the face by a Klitschko for a whole hour?

he wasnt tough enough to show up in shape, dude, where any of that actually matters. the guy is literally 40 lbs overweight.

you want punching bags? that's fine. you can have arreola. a fat bastard with good chin and a lot of heart.

you dont think footballers have a good chin and a lot of heart?
is there some magic line drawn in the sand that seperates boxers from those that do not box. of course not. arreola learned how to survive a situation like that because of years in the gym
no different than a 12 year old would be NFL'er who learned to box instead. the difference is the huge gap in talent.

to think that the athletes in the NFL will simply shell up and go home because they dont call themselves boxers is again evidence that you are not involved with the sport


if you trained a 12 year old dynamite athlete to box are you still going to take arreola?
that's the arugment
you can get real athletes in the gym at 12 and turn them into the next ali, frazier, norton, holmes,

or you can have the fat bastards that currently box out of the US like arreola, who cant even stay in shape and think that eating off of the taco truck during training is "their gift" because they dont have a weight limit.



again, listen to your argument
you can have arreola walk into your gym at 12
or you can have ray lewis (if you dont know who he is you dont belong in this conversation with me)

which are you going to take?
which do you think is mentally tougher?
fat arreola? or a bonafide leader of men and NFL hall of famer?

[New England]

How do you know he was at the lower end ot the talent pool? I don't know football, but I've read a lot about Mitchell and a lot of experts saying no doubt he would be in the NFL. And his statement boxing is a lot tougher than football from a guy that has done both convinces me, sorry.

how are you qualified, then?

on what grounds are you basing your argument?

i'm 25 years old and i've been surrounded by football all of my life in america
you cant get away from it

i've also been reading books about boxing since i was in grade school, and consider myself quite knowledgable

i'm qualified enough

and again, your toughness argument is laughable, when you consider the men who are boxing from the states at or around the top 10.

you're better off with those guys at the top simply because they are "tougher?" lol. that's your argument?
you can have them, lol
i'll take the talented guys who will, oh i dont know, acutally train and not show up 40 lbs overweight

[nomadman]

So you agree that soccer players make awesome boxers. Cool.

[nomadman]

Here's Johnnie Morton, former wide receiver and All-American fighting some Ivorian taekwondo scrub.



Awesome chin? Hardly.

[New England]

So you agree that soccer players make awesome boxers. Cool.

i do.

ship them all over to boxing and you'd have a much greater talent pool in the lower weight classes. some of them would turn into hellish boxers if you put them in a gym at 12

the NFL argument and the NBA argument is based on the size and the time line. i dont know how many times i've got to go over it.


these are all big guys. 6'9" average in the NBA (three inches taller than wladimir klitschko.) 6'3" average in the NFL (same height as muhammad ali.)
the US used to rule the HW division
these sports rise in popularity came about at around the same time that HW boxing started to fade in the states.


now that we have our big athletes in these other sports we have a dismal american talent pool in HW boxing,

you guys get that for most generations in the HW division you'd look through the top ten and find it almost exclusively american, right?
that's fact and not opinion.

that's rhetoric. there's no real leap that has to be made there. time and size. big men from the states dont box any more. not at this time.

[Superflo777]

i'm 25 years old and i've been surrounded by football all of my life in america

That's great man.

I just find the excuse "If there was no NFL America would rule the heavyweight division again!" pretty cheap and often used as a way to discredit the achievements and rising success of non-American heavyweight fighters in the last 10-15 years. Sure you can take any NFL player and say "if we had put him into a boxing gym when he was 12 he would be kicking ass now" but you still can't be sure how successfull they would really be as boxers today.

[nomadman]

i do.

ship them all over to boxing and you'd have a much greater talent pool in the lower weight classes. some of them would turn into hellish boxers if you put them in a gym at 12

the NFL argument and the NBA argument is based on the size and the time line. i dont know how many times i've got to go over it.


these are all big guys. 6'9" average in the NBA (three inches taller than wladimir klitschko.) 6'3" average in the NFL (same height as muhammad ali.)
the US used to rule the HW division
these sports rise in popularity came about at around the same time that HW boxing started to fade in the states.


now that we have our big athletes in these other sports we have a dismal american talent pool in HW boxing,

you guys get that for most generations in the HW division you'd look through the top ten and find it almost exclusively american, right?
that's fact and not opinion.

that's rhetoric. there's no real leap that has to be made there. time and size. big men from the states dont box any more. not at this time.

There have never been any great American heavyweights over six foot five and the vast majority fought around six feet one or two, so the NBA argument is invalid. As for the NFL, would Frazier have made it back in the day? Would Louis?

[Superflo777]

you guys get that for most generations in the HW division you'd look through the top ten and find it almost exclusively american, right?

That's because there was no professional boxing in the Eastern Bloc.