klitschko Vs Any American = Mismatch

[nomadman]

That's because there was no professional boxing in the Eastern Bloc.

No, but they still competed in the Olympics and generally lost out to Americans. Boxing wasn't especially strong during the communist era; it's increased in leaps and bounds since then.

[New England]

That's because there was no professional boxing in the Eastern Bloc.

check out he olympics then.

americans and cubans mostly.

[New England]

No, but they still competed in the Olympics and generally lost out to Americans. Boxing wasn't especially strong during the communist era; it's increased in leaps and bounds since then.

lol thank you

saved me some work.

cubans, too
they lost to them

[nomadman]

how are you qualified, then?

on what grounds are you basing your argument?

i'm 25 years old and i've been surrounded by football all of my life in america
you cant get away from it

i've also been reading books about boxing since i was in grade school, and consider myself quite knowledgable

i'm qualified enough

and again, your toughness argument is laughable, when you consider the men who are boxing from the states at or around the top 10.

you're better off with those guys at the top simply because they are "tougher?" lol. that's your argument?
you can have them, lol
i'll take the talented guys who will, oh i dont know, acutally train and not show up 40 lbs overweight

New England, I generally like your posts but you're way too hung up on this NFL thing man.

Mitchell wins fights because he's hard working, aggressive, measured in his attack and has been well matched up till now, not because he's some uber athletic NFL specimen with lightning fast hands and power to make Foreman blush. Any fighter, no matter their athleticism, has to put in the work and Mitchell's been putting in his. Boxing rewards skill and determination more than it does speed and strength. Frazier's proof of that.

[New England]

New England, I generally like your posts but you're way too hung up on this NFL thing man.

Mitchell wins fights because he's hard working, aggressive, measured in his attack and has been well matched up till now, not because he's some uber athletic NFL specimen with lightning fast hands and power to make Foreman blush. Any fighter, no matter their athleticism, has to put in the work and Mitchell's been putting in his. Boxing rewards skill and determination more than it does speed and strength. Frazier's proof of that.

that's not what i'm saying at all.

mitchell is enjoying moderate success because the divsion blows, not because he is so good. he is not that good, not that athletic.

he looks good compared to arreola, chambers, thompson, etc, who are hardly even talented, and clearly dont train hard enough or eat right.


i'm not saying mitchell (or anybody else in either league for that matter,) is going to be a better boxer than foreman simply on the merits of his talent.

[nomadman]

that's not what i'm saying at all.

mitchell is enjoying moderate success because the divsion blows, not because he is so good. he is not that good, not that athletic.

he looks good compared to arreola, chambers, thompson, etc, who are hardly even talented, and clearly dont train hard enough or eat right.


i'm not saying mitchell (or anybody else in either league for that matter,) is going to be a better boxer than foreman simply on the merits of his talent.

Chambers is plenty talented, and if Thompson didn't train hard he wouldn't even have cracked the top 100 because he lacks in almost every physical attribute that matters. Arreola is similar to Mitchell, skill wise, but his problems are that he's a lazy fat ***. Sad, but not a terminal problem given a few changes (his attitude for one).

At the moment though Seth doesn't have any wins on the scale of the above three, certainly not Chambers, who has one of the best resumes outside the Klits.

[Medved]

I think Wlad vs anyone in the world is a mismatch. Did you see the shape he was in for yesterday's fight? You rarely see white fighters with Black bodies in Boxing. His conditioning and dieting are on another level. I think Wlad might be in his prime right now, he looks fast, powerfull and ripped. Nobody has a chance to stop him unless its a fluke cut or injury.

and New England, most NFL players are mental midgets, which is why the big guy's usually play DL/OT/G, no thinking involved, just hammer it in, same with RB for the most part. and the most successfull superstars? 99% of them are smart and become NFL analysts, the reason they become the 1%? Because they arent mental midgets.

There's very very few smart people in the NFL that could get and maintain a HW strap. Having the body is only 10% of it, 90% is the mind and dedication.

Same reason Broner will never be anyone in Boxing, he might win a strap or two, but he wont become a superstar or anything like that. Why? Mental midget, already has 10 kids at age 22 and talks like he's already been in 100 fights (stuttering)

[New England]

I think Wlad vs anyone in the world is a mismatch. Did you see the shape he was in for yesterday's fight? You rarely see white fighters with Black bodies in Boxing. His conditioning and dieting are on another level. I think Wlad might be in his prime right now, he looks fast, powerfull and ripped. Nobody has a chance to stop him unless its a fluke cut or injury.

and New England, most NFL players are mental midgets, which is why the big guy's usually play DL/OT/G, no thinking involved, just hammer it in, same with RB for the most part. and the most successfull superstars? 99% of them are smart and become NFL analysts, the reason they become the 1%? Because they arent mental midgets.

There's very very few smart people in the NFL that could get and maintain a HW strap. Having the body is only 10% of it, 90% is the mind and dedication.

Same reason Broner will never be anyone in Boxing, he might win a strap or two, but he wont become a superstar or anything like that. Why? Mental midget, already has 10 kids at age 22 and talks like he's already been in 100 fights (stuttering)

i'd like to clarify what i'm arguing

i dont think that the klitschko brothers are champions only for the reasons i am arguing (a lack of american talent in the division because of the other american sports.)
they are great fighters and they'd be a rough task for anybody, from the nfl, nba, other eras, or otherwise.

i dont think that american athletes have some preordained right to the championship. they'd have to train and get to the top like anybody else and take the risks.
i'm saying that the current crop of american talent is no longer boxing. what you are left with is a depleted talent pool in a division with a history of strong contributions from america.

our best athletes used to box. today they play these other sports. not all, but some of these guys are serious athletic talents, and many of them are huge.

that's the argument. nothing more. i'm sure there are plenty of guys in the NFL and NBA that could train from youth only to get to the klitschkos and lose, or even to incur setbacks before they got there. they are better off than thompson, who was clearly born with very little athletic quality, that's my only argument.

[4Corners]

What's funny is the power struggle for bias Americans and bias Europeans to get the final word on the Klitschkos.

Bias American say this: The Klitschko suck, they are boring, and win because onf their size.

Bias Europeans say this: The Klitschko's are the best HW's of all-time, they'd beat any of the top HW's prime for prime. They are the greatest HW's ever.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

The Klitschkos are ATG HW's no doubt, and H2H, I'd probably only favor prime versions of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Holyfield, and Lewis H2H. Their era has been pretty weak, I don't see how anyone can argue that. They have dominated their era though, so it's not like they can control what era they fought in. They would be tough fights for any HW's. Are they the greatest HW's of all-time???? No. Based on career, resume, era, they don't crack the Top 10. H2H, they crack the top 10 I think. They are ATG HW's, not as bad as some American claim, and not the GOAT like some of their Europeans fans claim.

I think it's funny that even some European fans seem to try and hype up Seth Mitchell, because they know he'll fight a Klitschko eventually. And if they hype him up as some great HW, than once Wlad beats him, it will look like a great win.

I don't see any HW's that could currently beat the Klitschkos. Povetkin, Huck, Boytsov, Fury, don't see it happening. Prospects like Price, Mitchell, Scott, Perez, Wilder, don't see it happening either.

[Medved]

Then the opposite arguement should be made: How many guys are in Soccer, Euro League, Swimming, Gymnastics that couldve been great Boxers?

Dont forget in alot of countries you can live the rest of your live with a pension if you get a medal in the Olympics.

Thats why there are Amateur Boxers from Italy who have a few gold medals and have won every single Amateur event in the world but are still Amateurs at age 30+. its because Italy pay's them so much money for being an Olympian that they dont need to go pro.

Same with Russia and China and other countries, where being viewed as an Olympic champion is better than anything else and it gets you aton of cash for the medal/monthly stipend/ pension/ and a great job and great status symbol in your country.

Its only in North America where nobody even knows who won anything 4 years ago.