Has Floyd done enough to be considered up there alongside Ali and SRR?

[RlCKY]

Essentially you are penalizing him because he hasn't suffered a cut or come back froma loss or routed his opponents. Funny, in other sports dominance is celebrated not questioned.

Nope, I'm just saying how can you put him in the conversation with Ali and SRR, when we don't really know a lot about Floyd. He certainly has what it takes.

His longevity in the sport is due to his great defense no doubt, but also his inactivity. I know the sport has evolved to where guys fight 2-3 times a year...

Answer this, if you look at Ray Robinsons career, and took him out and replaced him with Floyd, making him fight Ray's fights in the timespan that Ray fought them, would Floyd have went 120-1?

Who knows? does anybody know enough about Ray's opposition to make a legit claim to what Floyd would have done? probably not.

But I just don't see it happening

[RlCKY]

You know why almost everything you just said is ridiculous, coming from someone who really isn't that biased in these types of arguments? Floyd's never fought anyone that proves what you are saying. Sugar Ray Robinson has numerous fights with better fighters than anyone Floyd's ever fought, hell he has six alone against Jake LaMotta, who is better than anyone Floyd's ever fought, and he has looked as or more impressive as Floyd ever has against this better opposition. Stylistically, Floyd would acquit himself well against many ATGs, and beat some, but you cannot just say that he surpasses these fighters because has not fought the opposition to suggest that.

You cannot possibly and realistically think that Floyd Mayweather belongs in the discussion with a Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali or Roberto Duran or those types of fighters, let alone say he surpasses them, when they have all done things that Floyd simply cannot compare to in any way. You're talking fighters who have beaten multiple ATGs in their career, compared to Floyd who as of yet has not beaten even ONE ATG fighter.

Since you brought up Roy, let me say that I am a massive Roy Jones Jr. fan, he's the fighter that made me a hardcore boxing fan, and just looking at him in his prime, I have argued that he could beat just about anyone at 168, and beat many at 175, but I would never argue that he is actually in the discussion with these fighters either, because he did not do nearly as much as they did.

Well said.

Ring magazine released a list in 02-03 that had the top 80 fighters of the past 80 years. This was either right before or right after Roy won the WBA heavyweight title, I dont remember. It was definately before getting KO'd twice in a row

Anyways, Roy ranked like mid 40's...so if you compare Floyd now to where Roy was at that point. Roy was way ahead.

In my opinion, the only reason Floyd and Roy are being spoken about in the same sentence, is because of Roy going 6-7 in his last 13

[The Big Dunn]

Nope, I'm just saying how can you put him in the conversation with Ali and SRR, when we don't really know a lot about Floyd. He certainly has what it takes.

His longevity in the sport is due to his great defense no doubt, but also his inactivity. I know the sport has evolved to where guys fight 2-3 times a year...

Answer this, if you look at Ray Robinsons career, and took him out and replaced him with Floyd, making him fight Ray's fights in the timespan that Ray fought them, would Floyd have went 120-1?

Who knows? does anybody know enough about Ray's opposition to make a legit claim to what Floyd would have done? probably not.

But I just don't see it happening

As I read your post it seemed you were saying part of ali and srr's greatness was coming off of loses and how they took punishment. was I wrong? If my reading is correct I have a problem with this.

Just don't penalize him for his domination. It just seems unfair. You in essence are giiving ali and srr credit for getting hit with punches they should have avoided. Yes it was amazing to see ali get up from Frazier's left hook. But should he have gotten hit with it?

[Walt Liquor]

You want this to be a serious discussion, yet you ask a ridiculously insane question. Easily amongst the dumbest ever on nsb and that's saying a lot.


Beating manny gets him nothing on anyone who could be considered the goat.

Especially after letting this thing drag out. His fight with manny has lost so much luster.

[HardAss]

If anyone says yes to this than JCC Jr should also be ranked up there with the GOATS

No but all i know is this floyd>pedquack seriously man pacquiao is garbage
money may toys with him

[Walt Liquor]

Not even top 25 ATG? Hmmmm.

Anyway, I understand what you mean about mentality. Floyd is a victim of his own success in that his superiority to other fighters of his generation has meant that he's never been forced to dig down. Although it is not the same as recovering from a loss, from what we've seen of Mayweather he appears to be psychologically strong when faced with adversity. He managed to overcome a fractured hand to beat Hernandez, he calmly adjusted to Judah's slick southpaw style after losing the early rounds, after Mosley rocked him in the 2nd he went on to dominate the rest of the fight.

But overcoming adversity in a fight isn't the same as recovering from a loss, most likely this is something about Mayweather we'll never know.

Translation: I can't think of anything to contradict your points and I'm really angry about it.

Does the beating Floyd gave Gatti keep you awake at night?
btw "wonderful" only has one l and "many" only has one n. How does it feel to have your spelling corrected by someone you deem "******ed"?

You are ******ed.

Floyd is better than his contemporaries? How do you knkw that if he never fought any of them close to their prime (in the last decade). Thats why you're a joke. You can never be the best if you never prove it vs the best.

Floyd has 0 wins vs a prime or close to prime hof fighter and definitely none over any atg. But you think he's the best..

[The Big Dunn]

You are ******ed.

Floyd is better than his contemporaries? How do you knkw that if he never fought any of them close to their prime (in the last decade). Thats why you're a joke. You can never be the best if you never prove it vs the best.

Floyd has 0 wins vs a prime or close to prime hof fighter and definitely none over any atg. But you think he's the best..

Walt too many of the great HOF level fighters Manny, ODH, Mosley, Kosta, all found ways to avoid floyd when they were at their peaks. That aint floyd's fault.

[Walt Liquor]

As I read your post it seemed you were saying part of ali and srr's greatness was coming off of loses and how they took punishment. was I wrong? If my reading is correct I have a problem with this.

Just don't penalize him for his domination. It just seems unfair. You in essence are giiving ali and srr credit for getting hit with punches they should have avoided. Yes it was amazing to see ali get up from Frazier's left hook. But should he have gotten hit with it?

You have a point a soon as floyd fights a hof caliber prime fighter. Flyd's been touched up before, which is why he never takes a tough fight anymore. Its a joke......

[RlCKY]

As I read your post it seemed you were saying part of ali and srr's greatness was coming off of loses and how they took punishment. was I wrong? If my reading is correct I have a problem with this.

Just don't penalize him for his domination. It just seems unfair. You in essence are giiving ali and srr credit for getting hit with punches they should have avoided. Yes it was amazing to see ali get up from Frazier's left hook. But should he have gotten hit with it?

No, not how they took punishment, how they reacted when faced with adversity, fighting "in the trenches". I understand that the point you're making is he has been so dominant he hasn't had the opportunity to prove that. It's not his fault, but he is leaving a lot of questions unanswered. Questions that need to be answered to determine what he is really made of. That's what measures greatness. Winning fights isn't the only thing that matters.

Roy got KO'd and I thought at the time, oh well lucky shot, he is still Roy Jones. He wasn't anymore. You can argue about the weight and everything else, but the fact is we only knew so much about Roy Jones before the Tarver KO.

Tiger Woods was dominating on the golf course. Ran into some personal problems and has never been the same since. People thought that he was so good that a minor bump in the road would have no effect on his game. He's an average golfer now.

The jury is still out on Floyd. We may or may not ever be able to rank him as a legit top 10. Answering the original question posed in the thread title? No, he has not done enough.

[Walt Liquor]

Walt too many of the great HOF level fighters Manny, ODH, Mosley, Kosta, all found ways to avoid floyd when they were at their peaks. That aint floyd's fault.

Thats total bullsh it. Know why? Cuz they fought everyone else. There's one constant...floyd managed not to get in the ring with them.

They proved it by actually fighting, floyd has always found a way not to fight. (see no 50/50 split all the sudden tor the most recent example). He could have sergio right now but he's talking cotto and canelo.