Has Floyd done enough to be considered up there alongside Ali and SRR?

[simbros]

I've said it many times before, too many boxing fans are suffering from nostalgia-itus.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on older fighters, I've only seen 7-8 full Ali fights and 3 full SRR fights, but from what I've seen (*raises flameshield*) Floyd should not only be considered with Ali and SRR, but he surpasses them (I also believe Roy Jones jr. is better than Ali and SRR but I'll stick to talking about Mayweather to stay on topic).

I won't go as far as to evaluate Ali's and SRR's entire skillsets, but in a direct p4p matchup against Floyd they each have tendencies that Mayweather could exploit.

(*raises flameshield again*) Ali was over-reliant on his jab which Floyd would adjust to and counter off. He was also susceptible to left-hooks, and although his punches weren't soft he would not have the power to stun Mayweather.

From the couple of fights I've seen of SRR he holds his left hand very low, which someone with Mayweather's speed could take advantage of. He also tended to drop his hands when he threw power shots, which Mayweather could counter off. And one advantage Mayweather would have over both Ali and SRR is that they were each purely outside fighters (SRR's clinchwork is some of the sloppiet I've seen), whereas Mayweather is capable of both outslicking his opponents on the outside and breaking them down on the inside.

And to anyone who says that Floyd needs to beat (insert name here) to be considered an all time great, people said the same thing before Floyd fought Baldomir, DLH, Hatton and Mosley. No matter who Maweather beats it will never be good enough, people let there own personal dislike of Floyd get in the way of their ability to evaluate his skills as a boxer.

I'm sure that 90% of people will s**t all over this post out of pure hatred of Mayweather, but to the less bias among you I'm curious to hear your opinions.

i think its wonderfull that you can write so manny words despite being mentally ******ed

[urrah]

Yeah but even if Floyd, could win a fight against SRR, that alone wouldn't be enough to say he's greater than SRR...because you're talking about a fighters entire body of work...you're talking about how guys come back from losses and hard times in a fight.

ATG status encompasses every aspect of what makes up the fighter, not just skillset, or who beats who.

Also, how can you even make any comparison between Ali, SRR, and Floyd when admittedly you've seen about 10 Ali or SRR fights?

I'm a big Floyd fan and he is damn good, but he is not a top 10 ATG fighter. He isn't a top 25 ATG fighter.

Not even top 25 ATG? Hmmmm.

Anyway, I understand what you mean about mentality. Floyd is a victim of his own success in that his superiority to other fighters of his generation has meant that he's never been forced to dig down. Although it is not the same as recovering from a loss, from what we've seen of Mayweather he appears to be psychologically strong when faced with adversity. He managed to overcome a fractured hand to beat Hernandez, he calmly adjusted to Judah's slick southpaw style after losing the early rounds, after Mosley rocked him in the 2nd he went on to dominate the rest of the fight.

But overcoming adversity in a fight isn't the same as recovering from a loss, most likely this is something about Mayweather we'll never know.

i think its wonderfull that you can write so manny words despite being mentally ******ed

Translation: I can't think of anything to contradict your points and I'm really angry about it.

Does the beating Floyd gave Gatti keep you awake at night?

btw "wonderful" only has one l and "many" only has one n. How does it feel to have your spelling corrected by someone you deem "******ed"?

[simbros]

c'est génial que tu puisses corriger mes fautes d'orthographes

[RlCKY]

Not even top 25 ATG? Hmmmm.

Anyway, I understand what you mean about mentality. Floyd is a victim of his own success in that his superiority to other fighters of his generation has meant that he's never been forced to dig down. Although it is not the same as recovering from a loss, from what we've seen of Mayweather he appears to be psychologically strong when faced with adversity. He managed to overcome a fractured hand to beat Hernandez, he calmly adjusted to Judah's slick southpaw style after losing the early rounds, after Mosley rocked him in the 2nd he went on to dominate the rest of the fight.

But overcoming adversity in a fight isn't the same as recovering from a loss, most likely this is something about Mayweather we'll never know.



Translation: I can't think of anything to contradict your points and I'm really angry about it.

Does the beating Floyd gave Gatti keep you awake at night?

btw "wonderful" only has one l and "many" only has one n. How does it feel to have your spelling corrected by someone you deem "******ed"?

That isn't really his fault, but...

Superiority to the fighters he has fought. That's my point about Floyd is that as long as you can say that about him you don't truly know where he belongs.

What I really meant by adversity was a bad cut, losing big in a fight and pulling one out. Adjusting to a tough style and coming back from 1 big shot doesn't tell you what you need to know to compare him to Ali and SRR.

[simbros]

hahahaha, trust me, i'm not angry about it

[simbros]

how can you compare floyd with fighters you say yourself you've barelly seen

[RlCKY]

Not even top 25 ATG? Hmmmm.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. Barney Ross
21. Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard

I don't see any room for Floyd on that list.

[The Big Dunn]

That isn't really his fault, but...

Superiority to the fighters he has fought. That's my point about Floyd is that as long as you can say that about him you don't truly know where he belongs.

What I really meant by adversity was a bad cut, losing big in a fight and pulling one out. Adjusting to a tough style and coming back from 1 big shot doesn't tell you what you need to know to compare him to Ali and SRR.

Essentially you are penalizing him because he hasn't suffered a cut or come back froma loss or routed his opponents. Funny, in other sports dominance is celebrated not questioned.

[Bobby No Sex]

floyd mayweather is a very skilled fighter but fighters now a day can't be considered along side the past greats. why? it's because fighters today are handled business wise. they are carefully matched to pro long their celebrity status so that they can be cashed good.

but if you'll ask me he can be considered great if he would just fight pacquiao with no bullshiet.

im a pacfan but i think floyd will get it.

[bojangles1987]

I've said it many times before, too many boxing fans are suffering from nostalgia-itus.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on older fighters, I've only seen 7-8 full Ali fights and 3 full SRR fights, but from what I've seen (*raises flameshield*) Floyd should not only be considered with Ali and SRR, but he surpasses them (I also believe Roy Jones jr. is better than Ali and SRR but I'll stick to talking about Mayweather to stay on topic).

I won't go as far as to evaluate Ali's and SRR's entire skillsets, but in a direct p4p matchup against Floyd they each have tendencies that Mayweather could exploit.

(*raises flameshield again*) Ali was over-reliant on his jab which Floyd would adjust to and counter off. He was also susceptible to left-hooks, and although his punches weren't soft he would not have the power to stun Mayweather.

From the couple of fights I've seen of SRR he holds his left hand very low, which someone with Mayweather's speed could take advantage of. He also tended to drop his hands when he threw power shots, which Mayweather could counter off. And one advantage Mayweather would have over both Ali and SRR is that they were each purely outside fighters (SRR's clinchwork is some of the sloppiet I've seen), whereas Mayweather is capable of both outslicking his opponents on the outside and breaking them down on the inside.

And to anyone who says that Floyd needs to beat (insert name here) to be considered an all time great, people said the same thing before Floyd fought Baldomir, DLH, Hatton and Mosley. No matter who Maweather beats it will never be good enough, people let there own personal dislike of Floyd get in the way of their ability to evaluate his skills as a boxer.

I'm sure that 90% of people will s**t all over this post out of pure hatred of Mayweather, but to the less bias among you I'm curious to hear your opinions.

You know why almost everything you just said is ridiculous, coming from someone who really isn't that biased in these types of arguments? Floyd's never fought anyone that proves what you are saying. Sugar Ray Robinson has numerous fights with better fighters than anyone Floyd's ever fought, hell he has six alone against Jake LaMotta, who is better than anyone Floyd's ever fought, and he has looked as or more impressive as Floyd ever has against this better opposition. Stylistically, Floyd would acquit himself well against many ATGs, and beat some, but you cannot just say that he surpasses these fighters because has not fought the opposition to suggest that.

You cannot possibly and realistically think that Floyd Mayweather belongs in the discussion with a Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali or Roberto Duran or those types of fighters, let alone say he surpasses them, when they have all done things that Floyd simply cannot compare to in any way. You're talking fighters who have beaten multiple ATGs in their career, compared to Floyd who as of yet has not beaten even ONE ATG fighter.

Since you brought up Roy, let me say that I am a massive Roy Jones Jr. fan, he's the fighter that made me a hardcore boxing fan, and just looking at him in his prime, I have argued that he could beat just about anyone at 168, and beat many at 175, but I would never argue that he is actually in the discussion with these fighters either, because he did not do nearly as much as they did.