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  • Originally posted by Chups View Post
    Why is it sad? Only non-boxingfan/haters think fighting on catchweight is bad. Catchweight is a way for a big fighter to fight a small fighter if the fans wants it. To make things fair......there are a lot of fights in history that would not have happened if there was no catchweight.
    Bull****.

    Manny Pacquiao was always able to make the WW division limit. There was never any need for Pacquiao to use catchweights. He did it for an unfair advantage because he knew that on skill and ability alone he did not have what it took. Otherwise he would have proven it just like every other fighter who wants to be seen as great,

    Instead, Manny Pacquiao chose the cowards way. He beat his opponent on the scales before they ever got into the ring.

    Anyone can see this on YouTube when Roach was asked about a possible matchup with Shane Mosley. Roach replied its only possible at a catchweight of 142lbs. When asked why it was a problem to face Shane when Manny had already faced DLH, Roach replied "Shane's better than Oscar".

    That right there goes to show that Pacquiao won't take matches where there is a challenge unless he gets to weaken his opponents first.

    147 was never a problem for Pacquiao. Even JMM came up to WW because Pacquiao stipulated it. It backfired in Manny's face and we all saw what Manny was really made of.

    LOL@defending using catchweights to dehydrate Manny's competition.

    Catchweights aren't even the worst of Manny's legacy.

    Try defending Manny's first 40 fights against local bums in southeast Asia.

    Try defending Manny getting several of his titles by sidestepping champions to get vacant titles. That **** makes a difference.

    Then when you add in the catchweights, and then the fact that Manny refused to take PED tests for 3 years so he could avoid fighting Floyd and the perfect accurate picture is painted.

    We'll see if a Bradley win does anything for Manny's legacy considering that Bradley's best win came over Alexander.

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    • It was never a problem to make 147, he can do that by just eating. Its just that he wasnt sure if he could perform at a weight so high after coming from 116. So that is why there was a CW to test the waters.

      Of course he now knows he can perform at WW so hence the reason for no CWs now. YOu cant have a go at him forever for 2 wins with a CW. He does have a whole career anyone would be happy with, including Floyd.

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      • Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
        It was never a problem to make 147, he can do that by just eating. Its just that he wasnt sure if he could perform at a weight so high after coming from 116. So that is why there was a CW to test the waters.

        Of course he now knows he can perform at WW so hence the reason for no CWs now. YOu cant have a go at him forever for 2 wins with a CW. He does have a whole career anyone would be happy with, including Floyd.
        He always knew it.

        The truth is that if you are going to make it seem like you are moving up and taking on legacy worthy challenges, they should actually be legacy worthy.

        His catchweight fights were NOT legacy worthy.

        His fight against banned cheater Margarito@154lbs was DEFINITELY NOT legacy worthy.

        Take those fights away and Pacquiao's run at WW begins to look like what it really always was:

        Average.

        You continue to avoid his 40 fights against bums.

        You partially address the catchweights but avoid discussing the effect they have on his WW run.

        You constantly avoid discussing the fact that DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers before Pacquiao was willing to face them. Manny was being actively pursued by them while they were on top, but he refused to fight them.

        That's not an impressive record. An impressive record comes from fighting the best and winning. The best are those ranked 1, 2 and 3. How many fighters were at the top when Pacquiao fought them?

        Pacquiao got knocked out by bums. He got outboxed by a man not known for his boxing skills: Erik Morales! JMM has shown the world that Pacquiao is a lot of hype.

        You can believe whatever you like. Maybe Pacquiao is great by YOUR standards, but he is hardly great because he padded his record with 40 fights, got knocked out twice against the bums he was padding his record against, and then began stipulating catchweight fights to make it seem like he was doing something special when he came in the ring heavier than his most of his opponents on fight night.

        You lose. You're just too ****** to know it.

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        • Originally posted by nutz_n_ya_face View Post
          Bradley is a legit threat opponent for Pacquiao. Bradley is hungry, motivated, and undefeated fighter with lots of confidence. I will give Pacquiao full credit if he defeats Bradley and to me this fight can go either way. Props to Pacquiao for having back to back great fights.

          Although, Mayweather v Cotto is gonna do better PPV numbers but as a boxing fan this a great, great fight.

          Other legit fights I would like to see.

          Donaire v Rigond____x. To me this a pick em fight.
          Pirog v Martinez or Chavez Jr. Pirog kills anyone at 160.Broner v Gamboa at 130. This fight doesn't make sense right now but i would love to see these two fight.
          HAHAHA
          OMG YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!
          WHO TRH FAWK HAS HE BEAT TO BE THIS BEAST KILLA?
          HE IS A EURO BUM
          I CANT WAIT FOR SERGIO TO FIGHT HIM AND KNOCK HIM OUT COLD
          THEN WHAT WILL YOU SAY
          "OH sERGIO IS JUST FIGHTING EURO CAB DRIVERS"!
          HAAHA

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          • Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
            it was never a problem to make 147, he can do that by just eating. Its just that he wasnt sure if he could perform at a weight so high after coming from 116. So that is why there was a cw to test the waters.

            Of course he now knows he can perform at ww so hence the reason for no cws now. You cant have a go at him forever for 2 wins with a cw. He does have a whole career anyone would be happy with, including floyd.
            haha
            dude why did he fight oscar at 147 then cotto at 145 then clottey at 147?
            Cause he knows that he needs all the advantages
            pacs last 6 fights were garbage
            jmm beat him in another close dec and ill give pac credit for retiring hatton who was still prime no matter what the *****s say
            other than that they are all shams just like pac
            why when mosley said he was willing to fight him at 142!! Did pac say no and roach flat out say you are too good
            it wasnt until they saw he was on the super decline that they said ok lets take it
            pac is one of the biggest shams in boxing history

            that being said im glad he took this fight because bradley is young prime fast and can box
            to me this fight is better than the mayweather cotto fight but i as a boxing fan will buy both
            lets hope pac has balls to take on another young prime fighter after this one

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            • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
              He always knew it.

              The truth is that if you are going to make it seem like you are moving up and taking on legacy worthy challenges, they should actually be legacy worthy.

              His catchweight fights were NOT legacy worthy.

              His fight against banned cheater Margarito@154lbs was DEFINITELY NOT legacy worthy.

              Take those fights away and Pacquiao's run at WW begins to look like what it really always was:

              Average.

              You continue to avoid his 40 fights against bums.

              You partially address the catchweights but avoid discussing the effect they have on his WW run.

              You constantly avoid discussing the fact that DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers before Pacquiao was willing to face them. Manny was being actively pursued by them while they were on top, but he refused to fight them.

              That's not an impressive record. An impressive record comes from fighting the best and winning. The best are those ranked 1, 2 and 3. How many fighters were at the top when Pacquiao fought them?

              Pacquiao got knocked out by bums. He got outboxed by a man not known for his boxing skills: Erik Morales! JMM has shown the world that Pacquiao is a lot of hype.

              You can believe whatever you like. Maybe Pacquiao is great by YOUR standards, but he is hardly great because he padded his record with 40 fights, got knocked out twice against the bums he was padding his record against, and then began stipulating catchweight fights to make it seem like he was doing something special when he came in the ring heavier than his most of his opponents on fight night.

              You lose. You're just too ****** to know it.
              You are exactly right , the problem is your talking to kid fanboys with a fabricated hero , kids only realized superman couldnt fly by growing out of the childs world they in , many of these posters like Hugh Grant are little comic book kids with a logic to match .

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              • His first catchweight fight was actually against Torrecampo.
                Pac fans don't like to mention that though. So early in his career, already using catchweights...

                Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL .....

                So the fact that Pacquiao's first 40 fights were against local club fighters makes his resume better?

                LOL .. you are a special kind of clown.

                Margarito wasn't a champion, a fighter ranked in the top 3, or even a fighter that fans saw as a threat since being KO'd by Mosley by the time he fought Pacquiao.

                This is the problem with *******s: They think that name recognition = challenge.

                Just because a man has a name that was AT ONE TIME associated with success doesn't mean that he is forever a champion, challenge or even a test if he can no longer win like he USED TO.

                Idiots like Hugh Grant cling to the idea that a man is the same man no matter how badly he loses.

                Hugh Grant believes that:

                Fighting DLH@ 170lbs & fighting DLH@145lbs are the same thing!

                Fighting Hatton when he was confident and undefeated is the same as fighting Hatton AFTER he was knocked out for the first time in his career.

                Fighting Cotto when he was undefeated is the same as targeting him AFTER his bloody and brutal beatdown.

                Fighting Clottey is even worth mentioning as Clottey has NEVER beaten a champion.

                Fighting Margarito when he was ranked #1 and coming off a savage KO over Cotto is the same as fighting Margarito after he was KTFO and left helpless by Mosley.

                Fighting Mosley when he was the #1WW is the same as fighting Mosley AFTER he was thoroughly dominated by Floyd and got a draw against Mora.

                You see .. Pacquiao's success is in the fact that he has convinced the masses that fighting a 5th ranked fighter is the same as fighter a 1st or 2nd ranked fighter. It can't be from his first 40 fights because I cannot stress enough that they were all local journeymen. It can't be because he's unbeatable because he's been KTFO twice and outboxed by Morales and JMM.

                Manny's fanbase is mostly morons, and those who aren't morons are the ones who are just happy to see an Asian doing well.

                I'm not mad at that, but to embellish Manny's accomplishments in a way that makes him seem like more than he is actually is shows an incredible amount of desperation.

                Its just as bad as some on this site saying that Jeremy Lin has surpassed Michael Jordan. Its a desperate ploy for immediate recognition that has NOT been earned by the same standard, but that's what they do.

                They look for ways to "enhance" the perception of any Asian athlete to make them seem like ATG candidates from the very beginning. I actually love watching Lin, but trying to make him out to be great by making comparisons to those who are actually great just further illustrates the cycle.

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                • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                  Bull****.

                  Manny Pacquiao was always able to make the WW division limit. There was never any need for Pacquiao to use catchweights. He did it for an unfair advantage because he knew that on skill and ability alone he did not have what it took. Otherwise he would have proven it just like every other fighter who wants to be seen as great,

                  Instead, Manny Pacquiao chose the cowards way. He beat his opponent on the scales before they ever got into the ring.
                  He was only called a coward after the fact coz he won. And only haters do it. Pac-Oscar was a superfight money wise and was only feasible thru an agreed weight which was 147. Nobody complained when Pacquiao was trying to fight Cotto. Even Cotto mentioned that he's in the best shape of his life. If Cotto felt he was in the disadvantage he could HAVE NOT SIGNED the contract like what he did now. The Margarito and JMM fight was in favor of JMM and Margarito. The Margarito was because of the BELT and JMM needed an advantage because he is not used to 147. Why not complain about JMM's...Pac did the same thing to fight Cotto.

                  Again catchweight was invented to make a fight happen between a smaller fighter and a big fighter. Plain and simple. Pac just so happen to win his catchweight fights...and he does have many haters.

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                  • Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                    Is it good when any 147 lb champ defends his title against the 135 lb champ and the 140 lb champ in back to back fights?
                    Fvvkk outta here hater

                    Bradley>>>anyone at WW.

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                    • Originally posted by Fvck LamarSmith View Post
                      Fvvkk outta here hater

                      Bradley>>>anyone at WW.
                      Khan Ortiz and even berto all beat bradley
                      but he is the best option for pac at this time

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