What is the requirements of an ATG?

[turbotime]

Tunney beat him 4 times out of 5. one time he got robbed though and it was a draw.

No, he beat him 3 times. Some feel Tunney shouldn't have gotten the split decision in their bout so either way by your logic it's still 3-1-1 in Tunney's favour.

[Bombs]

Take a look at Pacquiao.

There's your answer.

[raskat]

No, he beat him 3 times. Some feel Tunney shouldn't have gotten the split decision in their bout so either way by your logic it's still 3-1-1 in Tunney's favour.

I just said he beat him 4 times but one time he got robbed and it was a draw. can you read? officially its 3-1-1, but from various sources I heard it should be 4-1.

[IronDanHamza]

Tunney beat him 4 times out of 5. one time he got robbed though and it was a draw.

Plenty of people claim that Greb was robbed in the second fight.

The 4th fight which you claim was a robbery was also considered a close fight, one in which Greb argubally won as were most of their fights.

Greb was also past his prime in that fight as opposed to Tunney, who wasn't.

And only fight that Tunney clearly won was the 5th. And Greb won the first fight just as clear.

The rest were all considered close fights.

[turbotime]

I just said he beat him 4 times but one time he got robbed and it was a draw. can you read? officially its 3-1-1, but from various sources I heard it should be 4-1.

Officially it's 3-1-1 though. Pay closer attention next time you google 'best old time fighters' and make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

[IronDanHamza]

I just said he beat him 4 times but one time he got robbed and it was a draw. can you read? officially its 3-1-1, but from various sources I heard it should be 4-1.

The 4th fight that you are claiming is robbery, plenty said come have gone either way and Greb even had an argument of winning it.

Also, their second fight that Tunney won, plenty consider that in a robbery that Greb should have won.

The only fight's that were decisive were the 1st in favour or Greb an the 5th in favour of Tunney.

[raskat]

Plenty of people claim that Greb was robbed in the second fight.

The 4th fight which you claim was a robbery was also considered a close fight, one in which Greb argubally won as were most of their fights.

Greb was also past his prime in that fight as opposed to Tunney, who wasn't.

And only fight that Tunney clearly won was the 5th. And Greb won the first fight just as clear.

The rest were all considered close fights.

Im not gonna argue with you about fights of which no footage is available. you only have your information from boxrec.com
guess what: I read tons of books about boxing history. and pretty much all said Tunney should have won 4 fights. dont go further with this cause I am not gonna search for all the books I read so you can also read them. got better things to do

[IronDanHamza]

Im not gonna argue with you about fights of which no footage is available. you only have your information from boxrec.com
guess what: I read tons of books about boxing history. and pretty much all said Tunney should have won 4 fights. dont go further with this cause I am not gonna search for all the books I read so you can also read them. got better things to do

Oh, do I?

You read books?!?! Oh my ****ing God you are one hell of a smart guy. I wish I that smart. So smart that I could read books and such.

You ever read The Fearless Harry Greb? That book alone doesn't state that Gene Tunney won 4 out of 5 fights decisively.

Why are you making **** up? Which historians say that Tunney won 4 out of 5 fights decisively? Please, share.

Like I said, the first fight and the 5th fight are the only fights considered decisve victories; The 1st for Greb and the 5th for Tunney.

The second fight, plenty considered Greb to have won.

The 4th fight, which you claim was a robbery draw, was also considered a close fight. One in which Greb argubally won. Despite being past his prime whilst Tunney wasn't.

The others were considered fights that coul have gone either way.

[raskat]

Oh, do I?

You read books?!?! Oh my ****ing God you are one hell of a smart guy. I wish I that smart. So smart that I could read books and such.

You ever read The Fearless Harry Greb? That book alone doesn't state that Gene Tunney won 4 out of 5 fights decisvely.

Like I said, the first fight and the 5th fight are the only fights considered decisve victories; The 1st for Greb and the 5th for Tunney.

The second fight, plenty considered Greb to have won.

The 4th fight, which you claim was a robbery draw, was also considered a close fight. One in which Greb argubally won. Despite being past his prime whilst Tunney wasn't.

The others were considered fights that coul have gone either way.

"I wish I that smart"? is that english? you read Greb's bio which was written by some Greb fanboy like yourself and of course u read that Greb got robbed at least twice, right? well I read books which didnt have anything to do with Greb or Tunney in the first place, so there is a higher chance my source is more objective than yours.

[turbotime]

"I wish I that smart"? is that english? you read Greb's bio which was written by some Greb fanboy like yourself and of course u read that Greb got robbed at least twice, right? well I read books which didnt have anything to do with Greb or Tunney in the first place, so there is a higher chance my source is more objective than yours.

Which sources by which historians are these?