What is the requirements of an ATG?

[DeadLikeMe]

I can guarantee two things in this thread...raskat is pinoy and Pacquiao is the first boxer he has been a fan of.

[raskat]

I can guarantee two things in this thread...raskat is pinoy and Pacquiao is the first boxer he has been a fan of.

I am austrian. and I follow the sport of boxing since 20 years. I have seen it all, read it all, compared it all. I know stuff about guys like Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Sam McVey and Joe Jeannette that you cant even dream off. your ******ed asss has probably not even heard of those guys. You probably dont even know that Jack Dempsey didnt fight black guys and if he would have, he wouldnt have been a world champion as long as he was. I know that Gene Tunney fought Harry Greb 5 times and beat him 4 times. and that is just BASIC stuff I am talking about now. But I bet your silly asss doesnt even know those things.

[FJRod]

ur a clown. not worth my time to feed a troll

you think it matters to me what you clowns think or pretend to think? Do you think it mattered to Muhammad Ali when the whole world wanted him to go to Vietnam? Do you think Pacquiao cares about a few clowns like you guys who post their crap on a boxing forum all day long?
The truth always prevails. And if Pacquiao is not the greatest ever, we will see it. But as far as Im concerned, he is a top 5 ATG NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS NOW IN HIS CAREER. he can lose 10 fights in a row from now on and in his last 2 fights get knocked out by Charlie Zelenoff and Andrew Hartley, but he would still be a top 5 ATG.
you guys need to stop hating and maybe just fokk off the internet

Yes I'm the "clown"

[Evil Abed]

I am austrian. and I follow the sport of boxing since 20 years. I am a boxing historian since about 10 years meaning I have seen it all, read it all, compared it all. I know stuff about guys like Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Sam McVey and Joe Jeannette that you cant even dream off. your ******ed asss has probably not even heard of those guys. You probably dont even know that Jack Dempsey didnt fight black guys and if he would have, he wouldnt have been a world champion as long as he was. I know that Gene Tunney fought Harry Greb 5 times and beat him 4 times. and that is just BASIC stuff I am talking about now. But I bet your silly asss doesnt even know those things.

Then you'e are knowingly insulting the legacies of the actual top 5 fighters of all-time.

You need to back off from the claim, Your getting caught up in fandom and its overriding your boxing knowledge.

[4Corners]

Pac and Floyd are both around Top 30, and have a couple years left to make a push for the Top 20 in my eyes. If Floyd beats Cotto at 154 and Manny or Sergio, he'd without question make a jump to the Top 20 to me. And if Manny beats Bradley and Floyd, he'd make a jump to the Top 20 as well without question.

The fact that some of Pac's delusional fans rate him as the GOAT or Top 5, let alone the Top 15-20, is why people say a ton of his fans are irrational and delusional. They say Pac has this great resume and than s**t on Floyd's. They say Floyd has a C resume, but then turn around and say Cotto has a B resume. It's ludicrous. Both Pac and Floyd have good resumes, but who's better all-time......we won't know until they fight each other or if they don't fight, how each finishes out his last 1-2 years here.

By the way, Top 5 All-Time.........

Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong, Louis. Any order is pretty much good to me.

Based on career resume and era, that's it. H2H, it's a whole different story of course. For example, I would not pick Joe Louis to beat Mike Tyson in a H2H fight. But, given each guys career, resume, era, Joe Louis is the greater fighter and is higher on the ATG list by far.

[IronDanHamza]

WTF are you talking about? Don't compare Ali's issues with Manny's non-issues.

Pac's an ATG.

But he's not a top 5. You might be able to argue top 25 or 20.

You'd struggle.

[raskat]

Pac and Floyd are both around Top 30, and have a couple years left to make a push for the Top 20 in my eyes. If Floyd beats Cotto at 154 and Manny or Sergio, he'd without question make a jump to the Top 20 to me. And if Manny beats Bradley and Floyd, he'd make a jump to the Top 20 as well without question.

The fact that some of Pac's delusional fans rate him as the GOAT or Top 5, let alone the Top 15-20, is why people say a ton of his fans are irrational and delusional. They say Pac has this great resume and than s**t on Floyd's. They say Floyd has a C resume, but then turn around and say Cotto has a B resume. It's ludicrous. Both Pac and Floyd have good resumes, but who's better all-time......we won't know until they fight each other or if they don't fight, how each finishes out his last 1-2 years here.

By the way, Top 5 All-Time.........

Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Armstrong, Louis. Any order is pretty much good to me.

Based on career resume and era, that's it. H2H, it's a whole different story of course. For example, I would not pick Joe Louis to beat Mike Tyson in a H2H fight. But, given each guys career, resume, era, Joe Louis is the greater fighter and is higher on the ATG list by far.

I can look right through you. the boxing experts ***** on Mayweathers resume cause he ducked Pacquiao,Margarito, Cotto, Paul Williams and lots of other fighters. now you just say BOTH Pacquiao and Mayweather have ***** resumes.
the truth is Pacquiao has one of the best resumes EVER, comparable to Ali, Robinson and others. And when you really go into detail, I could destroy Ali's resume. I could say he needed gift decisions against Doug Jones and Jimmy Young, lost twice against Ken Norton, struggled with Frazier each and every time, got beaten by ****king Leon Spinks, and struggled with pretty much EVERY TOP FIGHTER he ever faced. Shavers, Ron Lyle, .......
But the bottom line is Im not gonna ***** on Ali cause he is probably the greatest ever. But Pacquiao is no different.
you are probably a brother from america who doesnt like the fact that a non american fighter is ranked so highly on the ATG list by pretty much all boxing experts. its as simple as that.

[FJRod]

I am austrian. and I follow the sport of boxing since 20 years. I have seen it all, read it all, compared it all. I know stuff about guys like Harry Wills, Sam Langford, Sam McVey and Joe Jeannette that you cant even dream off. your ******ed asss has probably not even heard of those guys. You probably dont even know that Jack Dempsey didnt fight black guys and if he would have, he wouldnt have been a world champion as long as he was. I know that Gene Tunney fought Harry Greb 5 times and beat him 4 times. and that is just BASIC stuff I am talking about now. But I bet your silly asss doesnt even know those things.

I'm going to pull up Wiki shortly and research Wall Street. So hit me up later so I can give u investment tips. I'm going to be giving free advice in NSB.

[turbotime]

Only two things needed really:

Wins over fellow ATG hall of famers, and Dominance over weights or a weightclass.

[Chups]

Requirements?


Combinations of a lot of things.

Resume: Fought multiple ATG/HOF in his lifetime. Standard of competition.
Accomplishments: Awards won, titles won, defenses.
An inspiration during his time.
Approval/recommended/inspired by other fighters.
Approval by historians and critics.