Watching the video i realize two things: Marquez used the same punches against Manny in the third fight he'd used in the 1st and 2nd fight, and Manny never once adjusted, two, is that Mosley left hand did all the damages in the Margarito fight.
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostAnd Hatton was coming off two wins. But that doesn't fit the agenda, so that's not mentioned.
Cotto took a career ending cheat beating from Margo , was fed a bum that you will never hear of again , and he looked like he lost against Clottey who was inhouse and is Arums patsy for his stars , Clottey out landed Cotto by a big margin.
And then Manny forced him with a big purse carrot to accept a CW or NO fight .
You Pac ******s need to read the FORM , do you know what I mean by that , its just like the pro punters that study every element of a racehorses performance , they look at everything when a horse wins , and when a horse is placed against an inferior field to look good they know , the mug punter doesnt .
Manny is a good fighter and always was , but his WW resume is a hype job with some very good matchmaking , at even weight and not draining an elite inform WW , Manny is in trouble , they are not looking at fighting a WW and his CWs have caught up to him .
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The thread starter is right on is title, i mean Floyd wanted to fight Cotto, Williams, and Marg.
And Cotto is one of the best fighters even though haters saying his shot/damaged goods for a fight with Pac in 2009. Hey, about throwing in Morales with Floyd.Last edited by loui_ludwig; 01-28-2012, 11:07 PM.
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Originally posted by loui_ludwig View PostThe thread starter is right on is title, i mean Floyd wanted to fight Cotto, Williams, and Marg.
And Cotto is one of the best fighters even though haters saying his shot/damaged goods for a fight with Pac in 2009. Hey, about throwing in Morales with Floyd.
Cotto was damaged goods when Manny fought him and he was drained , this is fact !
Morales vs Floyd would be a joke fight , Floyd would own him way easier than he owned JMM , NOBODY at WW can deal with Floyd , the only way your going to push Floyd is for him to go up and fight bigger guys at their comfortable weight , and real good bigger guys not drained flat footed found in obscurity , if Floyd wanted to play Mannys CW game he could beat a lot of big ordinary guys .
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Originally posted by sugersean15 View Postits like he wont fight them unless there on top he is the best ever and you all know pacquiao wont even go into the same room as mayweather
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostDo you dudes ever evaluate anything past the WIN , Hatton came of a beating and stoppage that emotionally blew him apart , they found a complete duck for him to fight and he was wobbled and looked ****-house , then he fought Pauli a feather fisted 3rd rate fighter , maybe 4th rate , then with new trainer he fights Pac after a lot of turmoil in the camp , at the weigh-in he looked gaunt and mentally not home .
Cotto took a career ending cheat beating from Margo , was fed a bum that you will never hear of again , and he looked like he lost against Clottey who was inhouse and is Arums patsy for his stars , Clottey out landed Cotto by a big margin.
And then Manny forced him with a big purse carrot to accept a CW or NO fight .
You Pac ******s need to read the FORM , do you know what I mean by that , its just like the pro punters that study every element of a racehorses performance , they look at everything when a horse wins , and when a horse is placed against an inferior field to look good they know , the mug punter doesnt .
Manny is a good fighter and always was , but his WW resume is a hype job with some very good matchmaking , at even weight and not draining an elite inform WW , Manny is in trouble , they are not looking at fighting a WW and his CWs have caught up to him .
but Ortiz didn't? Remember Maidana?
As for Oscar ... I'm sure Mosley loss then Hopkins beating was also emotional ones as that is the last time that Oscar fought on a consistent basis since after that, Oscar fought only 1 fight in 3 years!
As for very good matchmaking ....
- Please let us know how many 147lbs fights that Marquez, Ortiz and Hatton had prior to facing Floyd?
- How old was Mosley and how active was he prior to the Floyd fight? Was that a prime Mosley? NO!!!
- Oscar was 2-2 and some say it should have been 1-3 in his last 4 fights prior to Floyd.
I'm laughing at all those in this thread that are mentioning Baldomir in a way to try to convince us that he was really good because he beat the inconsistent Judah who had problems at 147!Last edited by ADP02; 01-29-2012, 01:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostPac would not fight the Cotto Willians or Marg that were available when Floyd could have fought them , and guess who the main roadblock was , Arum !
Back then the roadblock was Floyd not as much Arum because Margarito wanted to fight Floyd but Floyd refused NOT Arum. As for Cotto, once Cotto was ready, Floyd went on vacation.
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Originally posted by ADP02 View PostSo Hatton came off an emotional beating
but Ortiz didn't? Remember Maidana?
As for Oscar ... I'm sure Mosley loss then Hopkins beating was also emotional ones as that is the last time that Oscar fought on a consistent basis since after that, Oscar fought only 1 fight in 3 years!
As for very good matchmaking ....
- Please let us know how many 147lbs fights that Marquez, Ortiz and Hatton had prior to facing Floyd?
- How old was Mosley and how active was he prior to the Floyd fight? Was that a prime Mosley? NO!!!
- Oscar was 2-2 and some say it should have been 1-3 in his last 4 fights prior to Floyd.
I'm laughing at all those in this thread that are mentioning Baldomir in a way to try to convince us that he was really good because he beat the inconsistent Judah who had problems at 147!
As far as dropping names like they are all the same why dont you stick to the people in question , no 2 fights are the same , no 2 fighters are the same , to try and win an argument based on what others do is idiocy , Hatton was mentally ***ed by Floyd , thats a fact !
Dont talk weight kid when you mention WW and Hatton and Floyd is the same sentence ,,,,
Digest this ,,, Hatton beat KT , Castillo and a host of others weighing 153 lbs on the night , he weight 153 fighting Floyd and Floyd weighed 152 ,,,,, FACT !
Hatton weighed 160 against Collazo , thats the only time he fought a WW , based on fighting weight at the time of the Floyd fight they were JNR WWs fighting for a WW title .
Floyd beat the breaks of JMM in second gear and JMM weighed the same as he did against Pac , read the form !
Mosley was beat to the point he wanted to quit against Floyd coming of a Margo KO , Pac ducked Mosley until he was shot , and then looked exposed and frustrated against a shot fighter wanting to survive , and he did survive and easy .
The rest of your post is just llke it started throwing everybody intro the same deal ,,, horses for courses kid , it aint all the same .
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostDo you dudes ever evaluate anything past the WIN , Hatton came of a beating and stoppage that emotionally blew him apart , they found a complete duck for him to fight and he was wobbled and looked ****-house , then he fought Pauli a feather fisted 3rd rate fighter , maybe 4th rate , then with new trainer he fights Pac after a lot of turmoil in the camp , at the weigh-in he looked gaunt and mentally not home .
Cotto took a career ending cheat beating from Margo , was fed a bum that you will never hear of again , and he looked like he lost against Clottey who was inhouse and is Arums patsy for his stars , Clottey out landed Cotto by a big margin.
And then Manny forced him with a big purse carrot to accept a CW or NO fight .
You Pac ******s need to read the FORM , do you know what I mean by that , its just like the pro punters that study every element of a racehorses performance , they look at everything when a horse wins , and when a horse is placed against an inferior field to look good they know , the mug punter doesnt .
Manny is a good fighter and always was , but his WW resume is a hype job with some very good matchmaking , at even weight and not draining an elite inform WW , Manny is in trouble , they are not looking at fighting a WW and his CWs have caught up to him .
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