Mayweather only fights the best fighters out there

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canelo is too big he cant make 145

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This is a straight up lie1 Cotto still is not the same as he was before Margarita. Cotto took a killer beating from Tony, almost killed him, body and head damage. Physically,mentally,and spirtually killed him. Lets see Pac fight Canelo or Martinez, lol. We all know thats not gonna happen. Pacpunk is to afraid to face a real live wire. Pacpunk, the most over rated fighter since bruce lee.[/B]

he almost killed him? so cotto's a vegetable laying up in the hospital right now? he lost a fight it happens. why must you pretend he's totally shot just to make pac look worse and floyd better? hatton wasn't as good as before when he fought floyd because collazo "almost killed him" and had him out on his feet and stumbling to the canvas. this kind of rhetoric gets so old man.

saying he's not the same shows your ignorance more than anything. he faded against ndou, he faded against mosley, he got shook up against torres and corley and all this happened before the margarito fight. you would have a point if he got knocked out in 1 round by danny green or something but he didn't.

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here's another hypothetical test........which is better......

imagine if jeff lacy fought kessler and beat him by split decision. then calzaghe fought lacy and destroyed him.

now imagine jeff lacy fought 5 bums in a row and destroyed them all. then calzaghe fought lacy and destroyed him.

does calzaghe get more credit for beating the lacy that just came off a close win over kessler or 5 wins over tomato cans?

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great vid

PBF #1 p4p

[jrosales13]

If pac was to fight Canelo , it would be a slaughter by Canelo. Three round fight son, and PACPUNK WOULD BE A BLOODY MESS.

And, once again you prove that you're a troll and/or an F'ing ******.

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This is a thread of truth with a few exceptions.

Mayweather fought five times in 5 years.
Manny 11 times in 5 years... all top 10 guys by ring ratings.

(1)mayweather retired to not fight Cotto Margartio or Mosley at that time.
Manny pressed on and became the best P4P fighter and fighter of the decade.
(2) 8 time world champ
Floyd retired went to jail beat on women. On more than one occasion. IRS problems. and so on.

(3) Floyds a boring fighter to watch.
manny is exciting and destroys opponents. Beats their face in. (4)Kos them cold, Makes them quit.
Floyd runs around the ring pop shot-en c class fighters Comes in over weight with little JMM, sucker punching to win..(even though Ortiz deserved it) still be the better man and win fairly.

oh wait what was this thread about...Of all the great fighters out there...how can you fight the best when you only fight every so often against PICKED carefully opposition hmmmmm.... Man (5)LOL Baldomir... thats the best.... lmfaoheheheheeeee

1. Wrong, Arum never wanted Cotto in the ring with Mayweather, Margarito has never done anything to warrant a fight against Floyd, and Mosley had been ducking Mayweather since May called him out in 1999, the only reason Mosley agreed to fight Floyd is because he wanted a pay day in the aftermath of his win over Margarito and Pacquiao turned him down because, in Roach's words, Mosley was "too good".

2. I haven't checked this myself yet, but a week or two ago I read a post from another user saying that out of Pacquiao's 8 titles only 3 of them have been fought against the legitimate champion at the correct weight.

3. Floyd's only boring if you have no appreciation of talent and want every fight to be a Gatti Ward slugfest.

4. A common misconception, Manny can't even knock people out let alone make them quit. The only fighter at WW who he made quit was old weight drained De La Hoya. I don't understand why people think Pacquiao punches so hard, the only legit ko Manny has at WW is against LWW Hatton, Cotto stoppage was okay but if I was the ref I probably would have let Cotto see the end of the fight.

Don't get me wrong he has a lot of power for such a small guy, but he's not the ko machine he was at the lighter weight classes.

5. What's with all this f**king Baldomir hate. Baldomir is my 4th ffoat so I won't pretend I'm unbias with regards to him, but I don't see how people can dismiss him so easily. Baldomir had a hard road to the title, he had a lot of losses early in his career and when it finally looked like he had caught a break in being eyed for a De La Hoya fight he was robbed in the eliminator bout against a guy called Dingaan Thobela.

With 9 losses already on his record just 5 years into his career Baldormir's future looked bleak, yet he fought on after another loss following the Thobela fight he would go on to defy the odds.

For the next 7 years he fought all over the world for obscure titles, from Mexico to Italy, from Germany to South Africa, from Belgium to Denmark, from Mexico to the UK. He was mostly used as a rebound fight for fighters coming off a loss or as a sacrificial lamb young prospects expected to comfortably add to their resumes.

After a 7 year unbeaten run he finally gets a shot at the big league, but is he perceived as a challenging opponent who hasn't lost in 7 years? Nope, he's a 10-1 underdog being used as a tuneup for Judah's fight against Mayweather. Baldormir goes on to shock the world against Judah and Gatti, but when he loses to Mayweather, one of the greatest fighters of all time, he becomes garbage.

Baldomir is one of the most underrated fighters in history, and for those of you that have forgotten he, unlike Margarito who you accuse Mayweather of ducking, was a legitimate champion at WW.

cotto was coming off a win over Clottey

And Hatton was coming off two wins. But that doesn't fit the agenda, so that's not mentioned.

Hatton and Cotto may have been coming off wins but it was clear that they were not the same fighters after their losses.

After losing to Mayweather Hatton, who was known for having a tough chin, nearly got knocked out in a rebound fight, and then beat Malignaggi who isn't exactly known for being a big hitter.

After his loss to Margarito Cotto won a rebound before looking questionable against Clottey, although Cotto's skills still looked sharp he seemed to have lost a lot of confidence in himself, and in his corner during the middle rounds (after the cut) he appeared as if he wanted to quit (although he did manage to pull himself to together as the fight went on).

Although both Hatton and Cotto were still good fighters, it is clear that they weren't the same fighters physically and psychologically they were before their losses.

I guess it all depends how you word it.

Ortiz - inexperienced 140 lber, 1-1-1 in fights against decent fighters, knocked down in his last fight and a known quitter.

Mosley- shot -won 2 of his last 6 fights.

Jmm - much smaller, 37 yrs old. Never won a fight over 140 and only once above 135.

Hatton - one dimensional pub brawler well past his best and never fought well at 147.

ODLH - past his best. Lost to every good fighter he every fought.

Baldomir - lol

Okay, let's settle Floyd's resume at WW once and for all.

Judah

Pros- Tough stylistic matchup being both slick and a southpaw, in his prime, clash of two hot young prospects.

Cons- Coming directly off an unimpressive loss to Baldomir.

Baldomir

Pro- Undefeated for 7 years, pressure fighter (since Castillo it's been believed that Floyd can't deal with pressure), common opponents in Judah and Gatti, legitimate champ at 147 (Margarito's WBA belt was vacated by Baldomir, and his and IBF belt was vacated by both Baldomir and Mayweather).

Cons- Despite his credentials was not in Mayweather's league skillwise.

De La Hoya

Pros- Large public demand, big pay day, size advantage to DLH, fought at DLH's natural weight of 154, DLH looked good in his previous fight against Mayorga.

Cons- Although not shot beginning to fade, Mayweather could have pushed to fight a less financially rewarding but more relevant opponent in prime Cotto.

Hatton

Pros- Undefeated, public demand, legitimate champ of his division, pressure fighter.

Cons- Size disadvantage

Marquez

Pros- Believed by many to have beaten Pacquiao in both of their fights, ranked 2nd on Ring p4p list.

Cons- Size disadvantage, Mayweather failed to make weight.

Mosley

Pros- Coming off the biggest win of his career in Margarito, widely believed that Floyd had been ducking him, ranked 3rd on Ring p4p list, acknowledged as the legitimate champ of 147.

Cons- 37 years old, hadn't looked impressive in Mayorga fight (which was prior to Margarito)

Ortiz

Pros- 10 years younger, coming off biggest win of his career, size advantage, 3rd in WW rankings.

Cons- Inexperienced, apart from Berto has no big wins.


Holy crap this is a huge post, I should probably hand out vb points to anyone who manages to read it all

[jrosales13]

This is a thread of truth with a few exceptions.



1. Wrong, Arum never wanted Cotto in the ring with Mayweather, Margarito has never done anything to warrant a fight against Floyd, and Mosley had been ducking Mayweather since May called him out in 1999, the only reason Mosley agreed to fight Floyd is because he wanted a pay day in the aftermath of his win over Margarito and Pacquiao turned him down because, in Roach's words, Mosley was "too good".

2. I haven't checked this myself yet, but a week or two ago I read a post from another user saying that out of Pacquiao's 8 titles only 3 of them have been fought against the legitimate champion at the correct weight.

3. Floyd's only boring if you have no appreciation of talent and want every fight to be a Gatti Ward slugfest.

4. A common misconception, Manny can't even knock people out let alone make them quit. The only fighter at WW who he made quit was old weight drained De La Hoya. I don't understand why people think Pacquiao punches so hard, the only legit ko Manny has at WW is against LWW Hatton, Cotto stoppage was okay but if I was the ref I probably would have let Cotto see the end of the fight.

Don't get me wrong he has a lot of power for such a small guy, but he's not the ko machine he was at the lighter weight classes.

5. What's with all this f**king Baldomir hate. Baldomir is my 4th ffoat so I won't pretend I'm unbias with regards to him, but I don't see how people can dismiss him so easily. Baldomir had a hard road to the title, he had a lot of losses early in his career and when it finally looked like he had caught a break in being eyed for a De La Hoya fight he was robbed in the eliminator bout against a guy called Dingaan Thobela.

With 9 losses already on his record just 5 years into his career Baldormir's future looked bleak, yet he fought on after another loss following the Thobela fight he would go on to defy the odds.

For the next 7 years he fought all over the world for obscure titles, from Mexico to Italy, from Germany to South Africa, from Belgium to Denmark, from Mexico to the UK. He was mostly used as a rebound fight for fighters coming off a loss or as a sacrificial lamb young prospects expected to comfortably add to their resumes.

After a 7 year unbeaten run he finally gets a shot at the big league, but is he perceived as a challenging opponent who hasn't lost in 7 years? Nope, he's a 10-1 underdog being used as a tuneup for Judah's fight against Mayweather. Baldormir goes on to shock the world against Judah and Gatti, but when he loses to Mayweather, one of the greatest fighters of all time, he becomes garbage.

Baldomir is one of the most underrated fighters in history, and for those of you that have forgotten he, unlike Margarito who you accuse Mayweather of ducking, was a legitimate champion at WW.





Hatton and Cotto may have been coming off wins but it was clear that they were not the same fighters after their losses.

After losing to Mayweather Hatton, who was known for having a tough chin, nearly got knocked out in a rebound fight, and then beat Malignaggi who isn't exactly known for being a big hitter.

After his loss to Margarito Cotto won a rebound before looking questionable against Clottey, although Cotto's skills still looked sharp he seemed to have lost a lot of confidence in himself, and in his corner during the middle rounds (after the cut) he appeared as if he wanted to quit (although he did manage to pull himself to together as the fight went on).

Although both Hatton and Cotto were still good fighters, it is clear that they weren't the same fighters physically and psychologically they were before their losses.



Okay, let's settle Floyd's resume at WW once and for all.

Judah

Pros- Tough stylistic matchup being both slick and a southpaw, in his prime, clash of two hot young prospects.

Cons- Coming directly off an unimpressive loss to Baldomir.

Baldomir

Pro- Undefeated for 7 years, pressure fighter (since Castillo it's been believed that Floyd can't deal with pressure), common opponents in Judah and Gatti, legitimate champ at 147 (Margarito's WBA belt was vacated by Baldomir, and his and IBF belt was vacated by both Baldomir and Mayweather).

Cons- Despite his credentials was not in Mayweather's league skillwise.

De La Hoya

Pros- Large public demand, big pay day, size advantage to DLH, fought at DLH's natural weight of 154, DLH looked good in his previous fight against Mayorga.

Cons- Although not shot beginning to fade, Mayweather could have pushed to fight a less financially rewarding but more relevant opponent in prime Cotto.

Hatton

Pros- Undefeated, public demand, legitimate champ of his division, pressure fighter.

Cons- Size disadvantage

Marquez

Pros- Believed by many to have beaten Pacquiao in both of their fights, ranked 2nd on Ring p4p list.

Cons- Size disadvantage, Mayweather failed to make weight.

Mosley

Pros- Coming off the biggest win of his career in Margarito, widely believed that Floyd had been ducking him, ranked 3rd on Ring p4p list, acknowledged as the legitimate champ of 147.

Cons- 37 years old, hadn't looked impressive in Mayorga fight (which was prior to Margarito)

Ortiz

Pros- 10 years younger, coming off biggest win of his career, size advantage, 3rd in WW rankings.

Cons- Inexperienced, apart from Berto has no big wins.


Holy crap this is a huge post, I should probably hand out vb points to anyone who manages to read it all

Margarito hadn't done anything to warrant a match up with Floyd? Being the #1 rank WW for years is doesn't warrant anything apparently.

You should check that Pac stat out. And, you would see how mistaken you would be.

Baldomir didn't shock the world when he beat Gatti. And, LOL @ you calling him one of the most underrated fighters in history....WTF is going on? Yes Baldomir was the lineal champ. But, he wasn't the best fighter in the division. That was Margarito.

Margarito WBA belt wasn't vacated by Baldomir, Baldomir never held the WBA. And, Marg won the WBA belt from Cotto who won it in a vacant title match up against Quintana. But, defended against a still viable opponent in Mosley. The WBA relinquished Judah from the Super title. Making Collazo the only WBA which he lost to Hatton, who vacated the title. That Cotto won against Quintana.

Margarito IBF belt wasn't vacated by Baldomir either. Baldomir never held the IBF belt. Judah kept that belt cuz' Baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fee's just like the WBA belt. Floyd won the IBF belt vacated the belt prior to fighting Baldomir. Kermit Cintron won the belt and lost it to Margarito.

Neither the WBA nor the IBF were vacated by Baldomir.

And, Hatton wasn't known for having a tough chin. He was put on ***** street and almost KTFO in his only WW fight prior to Floyd against Collazo. He had been dropped and hurt before as well.

Now for the Pro's and Cons.

Pros on Judah he wasn't slick. And, I don't know what you mean by prospect. Neither one was a prospect at that time.

I would add a con for Baldomir and saying he wasn't the best WW at the time.

The cons on Hatton are weak. There was no size disadvantage for Hatton.

I would replace the con for Mosley of not looking good against Mayorga. With coming off a long layoff. Mosley not looking good against Mayorga is irrelevant since Mosley never looked good at 154 and Floyd fought him at 147.

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Margarito hadn't done anything to warrant a match up with Floyd? Being the #1 rank WW for years is doesn't warrant anything apparently.

Nobody knew who Margarito was until he beat Cotto, and until Cotto he didn't have any big wins. He had a chance to break out against Williams but lost. Baldomir had at least beaten Judah and Gatti, who imo at the time were more noteworthy wins than Clottey and Cintron.

Baldomir didn't shock the world when he beat Gatti. And, LOL @ you calling him one of the most underrated fighters in history....WTF is going on? Yes Baldomir was the lineal champ. But, he wasn't the best fighter in the division. That was Margarito.

You're right that he didn't shock the world by beating Gatti like he did against Judah, but he was still the underdog going into the fight.

Despite him being one of my favs in a perfect world I wouldn't call Baldomir one of the most underrated fighters of all time, but I'm tired of people talking about him like he's a bum.

He may not have had much in the way of speed, power, or head movement, but he had an iron chin, unyielding endurance, and unlike a lot of pressure fighters he knew how to apply intelligent aggression.

Reading your post I believe that in general you probably know more about boxing than I do so I don't mean to diss you, but I feel like you, as well as a lot of people regarding Mayweather, are reinterpreting history. You say that Margarito was the best fighter in the division now but at the time nobody had heard of him.

I'm not sure if you're aware but when Floyd went ahead to fight Judah (after negotiations first fell through with Baldomir) everyone said that Mayweather was ducking Baldomir and that Baldomir was the real champ. Then he fights Baldomir and everyone says Baldomir's a bum and that Margarito is the real champ. And then if Floyd had've beaten Margarito people would have said that Margarito was trash and that Floyd was ducking Cotto, and then he beats Cotto and people would say he's ducking Malignaggi.

The fact is that at the time Baldomir was percieved as a more legitimate matchup, and that's who Floyd fought.

Margarito WBA belt wasn't vacated by Baldomir, Baldomir never held the WBA. And, Marg won the WBA belt from Cotto who won it in a vacant title match up against Quintana. But, defended against a still viable opponent in Mosley. The WBA relinquished Judah from the Super title. Making Collazo the only WBA which he lost to Hatton, who vacated the title. That Cotto won against Quintana.

Margarito IBF belt wasn't vacated by Baldomir either. Baldomir never held the IBF belt. Judah kept that belt cuz' Baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fee's just like the WBA belt. Floyd won the IBF belt vacated the belt prior to fighting Baldomir. Kermit Cintron won the belt and lost it to Margarito.

Neither the WBA nor the IBF were vacated by Baldomir.

lol I have to eat humble pie here, this is what I get for going by memory rather than checking my facts.

I thought that Baldomir won all of Judah's titles but refused to pay the sanctioning fee, I didn't know that they were never on the line in the first place.

Well done if you knew all that from memory, there are so many different organisations and random strippings going on I gave up trying to keep track of the belts long ago.

And, Hatton wasn't known for having a tough chin. He was put on ***** street and almost KTFO in his only WW fight prior to Floyd against Collazo. He had been dropped and hurt before as well.

He may not have had the toughest chin of all time but he was relatively durable at LWW.

And who was Hatton dropped by? I thought he hadn't hit the canvass until Mayweather.

Now for the Pro's and Cons.

Pros on Judah he wasn't slick. And, I don't know what you mean by prospect. Neither one was a prospect at that time.

We'll have to disagree about whether Judah is slick or not.

I also disagree about them not being prospects. In comparison to the average boxer May and Judah had achieved a lot, but they were each portrayed as being the future of boxing with a lot of potential to still to fill. At the time Judah Mayweather was billed as a superfight between two of the fastest rising stars, with the winner taking a huge step up. Although they definitely weren't still novices, they each still had a lot to prove to the boxing world.

I would add a con for Baldomir and saying he wasn't the best WW at the time.

The cons on Hatton are weak. There was no size disadvantage for Hatton.

Baldomir was the best WW before Floyd fought him, then after the fight suddenly Margarito was the best all along and Baldomir's a bum.

And I don't understand your Hatton comment. I'm saying that a con for Mayweather fighting Hatton is that Hatton was smaller than Mayweather. Hatton had fought most of his career at LWW and the only previous time he fought at WW against Collazo he hadn't looked as strong.

I would replace the con for Mosley of not looking good against Mayorga. With coming off a long layoff. Mosley not looking good against Mayorga is irrelevant since Mosley never looked good at 154 and Floyd fought him at 147.

Fair point.

It should also be noted that Mayweather had a layoff before the Mosley fight, but from memory Floyd's was about 8 or 9 months whereas Mosley hadn'd fought for more than a year, so this deserves a mention.

[Rolaz]

If that is the case then he should give in to Pacman's 50-50 equal sharing for their proposed fight!

Pacman' been the BWAA' Fighter of the Decade and FOTY Awardee, as well as #1PFP; and has proven his status as PPV Star; has been ranked higher over and above Mayweather jr., by Bloomberg, as among the Powerful Sportsmen in USA.

[jrosales13]

Nobody knew who Margarito was until he beat Cotto, and until Cotto he didn't have any big wins. He had a chance to break out against Williams but lost. Baldomir had at least beaten Judah and Gatti, who imo at the time were more noteworthy wins than Clottey and Cintron.

Not to diss, but it seems that you really didn't follow the division closely back then. Remember more importantly than who is when.

You're right that he didn't shock the world by beating Gatti like he did against Judah, but he was still the underdog going into the fight.

Again, more importantly than who is when.

Despite him being one of my favs in a perfect world I wouldn't call Baldomir one of the most underrated fighters of all time, but I'm tired of people talking about him like he's a bum.

He wasn't a bum. But, he was a tough journeyman/fringe contender level fighter.

He may not have had much in the way of speed, power, or head movement, but he had an iron chin, unyielding endurance, and unlike a lot of pressure fighters he knew how to apply intelligent aggression.

I won't argue that. But, he couldn't carry margarito jockstrap.

Reading your post I believe that in general you probably know more about boxing than I do so I don't mean to diss you, but I feel like you, as well as a lot of people regarding Mayweather, are reinterpreting history. You say that Margarito was the best fighter in the division now but at the time nobody had heard of him.

Nobody? This is not true. Lets not use hyperbole.

I'm not sure if you're aware but when Floyd went ahead to fight Judah (after negotiations first fell through with Baldomir) everyone said that Mayweather was ducking Baldomir and that Baldomir was the real champ. Then he fights Baldomir and everyone says Baldomir's a bum and that Margarito is the real champ. And then if Floyd had've beaten Margarito people would have said that Margarito was trash and that Floyd was ducking Cotto, and then he beats Cotto people would say he's ducking Malignaggi.

The fact is that at the time Baldomir war percieved as a more legitimate matchup, and that's who Floyd fought.

Floyd also had negotiations with Margarito after Judah lost to Baldomir. Which is weird since Marg was a "nobody" but whatever. Either way he still went on with the Judah fight.

Who is this "everyone" that said mayweather was ducking Baldomir? Brian Kenny? Is he the be all and end be all(no disrespect to Brian Kenny, I actually liked him on FNF's) of boxing public opinion?

But, of course if Floyd was going to fight Judah, then yes why not fight the guy that actually beat him instead. It makes sense for that to be said.

I'm not denying that Baldomir was the lineal champ. But, lineal champ does not mean you're the best fighter in the division. You falling into the trap in believing that it equates to each other.

And, please stop playing Floyd as the victim. No one would have said he would have been ducking Malignaggi. Let's cut the nonsense shall we?

lol I have to eat humble pie here, this is what I get for going by memory rather than checking my facts.

I thought that Baldomir won all of Judah's titles but refused to pay sanctioning fee, I didn't know that they were never on the line in the first place.

Well done if you knew all that from memory, there are so many different organisations and random strippings going on I gave up trying to keep track of the belts long ago.

Yea, you can't fight for the title if you don't pay the sanctioning fee.

He may not have had the toughest chin of all time but he was relatively durable at LWW.

And who was Hatton dropped by, I thought he hadn't hit the canvass until Mayweather.

He was dropped against a Euro-Bum level fighter early in his career, early in the fight. But, was visibly put on ***** street and almost KTFO by Collazo.

We'll have to disagree about whether Judah is slick or not.

I also disagree about them not being prospects. In comparison to the average boxer May and Judah had achieved a lot, but they were each portrayed as being the future of boxing with a lot of potential to still to fill. At the time Judah Mayweather was billed as a superfight between two of the fastest rising stars, with the winner taking a huge step up in the boxing world. Although they definitely weren't still novices, they each still had a lot to prove to the boxing world.

Judah was more flashy thank slick. But, yea we will agree to disagree on that one.

They were not prospects though man. Floyd already had achieved ATG status in a division and then moved up to beat the greatest LW in the last 15 years twice. He was 3 division title holder, and a 2 division lineal champ. Judah was a 2 division title holder and a former unified, undisputed, lineal champ. They had accomplished their feat already. Hell Floyd was a HOF'er before even going to WW.

Baldomir was the best WW before Floyd fought him, then after the fight suddenly Margarito was the best all along and Baldomir's a bum.

And I don't understand your Hatton comment. I'm saying that a con for Mayweather fighting Hatton is that Hatton was smaller than Mayweather. Hatton had fought most of his career at LWW and the only previous time he fought at WW against Collazo he hadn't looked as strong.

Margarito was recognized as the best in the division. While Baldomir was recognized as the lineal champ.

And, my point is that Hatton wasn't smaller than Mayweather. He wasn't stronger than Floyd. But, he also wasn't smaller.

Fair point.

It should also be noted that Mayweather had a layoff before the Mosley fight, but from memory Floyd's was about 8 or 9 months whereas Mosley hadn'd fought for more than a year, so this deserves a mention.

Yea Floyd had fought in September of 09' and Mosley in January of 09'