Harris offers to step in!

[theironone]

Of course arum is a liar he's a ****ing promoter, just like politicions, i never believe a fights signed until i see the fighters at the press conference to kick the whole thing off

[elveiel]

Of course arum is a liar he's a ****ing promoter, just like politicions, i never believe a fights signed until i see the fighters at the press conference to kick the whole thing off

With Arum its twice as bad, he was a lawyer and now a boxing promoter!!

[HayeFan]

No Phillips was run over and for anyone to even suggest otherwise is flat out laughable.

There's no question that Mitchell won in my mind, but Phillips came on strong in the second half of that fight, for you to insinuate that he was 'run over' would imply that he was never at any point 'in the fight'. Your view on things is far from gospel son, so dont push it as such.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Urkal was a champion...but I do remember YOU saying Olivera and Tackie were.

You negated to define the word 'champion'. In my eyes anyone who holds a recognised belt has earnt the right to be called a champion. I know you didn't say that Urkal was a champion, but since you felt the need to point out that Oliveira and Phillips weren't I felt the need to point out that Urkal wasn't either.

Well tell me then who "The people" have in the top 5 at 140?

The people being the revenue generators for the sport. I'd say the following fighters would be in their top 5:

Arturo Gatti
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton

Mitchell could probably put on a good show too, but he figures just outside of those 5 due to his loss to Kostya and the fashion in which it came.

Harris SHOULD be in that list given his credentials, but he isn't. He'd get the short end of any purse put forwatd by any of those fighters, and rightly so given his relative anonymity.

What would it do for his career? GIVE HIM CREDABILITY thats what. "Another Belt" yeah I guess the WBU is held in real high regard over in England huh*rolleyes*

It would garner him credibility from the hardcore fans, it would do absolutely nothing for his career though. As I've already pointed out, this division is littered with 'names' and names sell tickets, Harris has no name to speak of outside of Germany.

Did I ever say that the WBU meant anything? NO, I couldn't care about the status of his belt, because I dont think belts define a fighter. Which is why i offhandishly called Phillips and Oliveira ex-champs, they held belts but were bigger than those titles.

Let's get one thing straight, I would LOVE Ricky to fight Harris, because I can appreciate his status outside of revenue and popularity, what I'm saying is that the only reason Harris has piped up now is because he needs Hatton more than Hatton needs Harris.

You need to get it through your thick Ricky Hatton nuthugging skull. Just because a fighter is not a draw does not mean that he's not good. Bernard Hopkins is not a draw I guess he sucks too huh, Same with Winky Wright, Hell lets throw Vitali in that mix too.

I've already conceded that Hurtado was a good win, Harris IS a credible opponent, what he lacks is notoriety. Hopkins and Winky ARE a draw, They're both multi-million dollar generators per fight. The fact that they weren't big earners pre-victory over Tito and Mosely has no bearing on Harris as he has yet to defeat a genuine NAMED fighter as they did.

Vitali?? what the **** are you talking about Pedro? Vitali is considered THE #1 heavy worldwide, is regularly on Pay-per-view and is recognised by even the most fringe of casual boxing fans.

Guess what Rickky Hatton in the US vs anybody means?...you guessed it jack ****. Hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a damn about England. He comes here and proves himself or continues to be mocked by the American Boxing press.

Then why would Showtime stump up millions of dollars to secure the tv rights to a potential clash between Hatton and Tszyu?

Equally, Hatton vs Cotto, Mayweather, Gatti or Mitchell are all Pay-per-view televised fights in the US.

Whether he goes there or remains here to engage in those fights is a matter of promotional factoring.

Nobody gives a damn about england? Then why is one of your primetime TV stations willing to pay through the teeth to attain rights to an english fighter's bouts?

By the way, I'm far from a 'Hatton Nuthugger'. I'd favour Cotto, Mayweather AND Tszyu over Ricky. I think Harris, Gatti and Mitchell all lose by decision though.

[tracylee]

Yes but Arum was lying yesterday and today he's telling the truth!!

That Arum quote is a classic.

Thats the thing with Arum...you just never know what youre getting (true or false)..his version of the truth is a bit shady, and used optionally at a whim (did that make sense?? ).

[elveiel]

Thats the thing with Arum...you just never know what youre getting (true or false)..his version of the truth is a bit shady, and used optionally at a whim (did that make sense?? ).

I only believe a promoter if what they say makes finacial sense, if promoters have one thing in common its their money grabbing mentality.

[tracylee]

I only believe a promoter if what they say makes finacial sense, if promoters have one thing in common its their money grabbing mentality.

Absolutely! I've gotten to the point where I believe a fight will happen when the press conference takes place with both fighters present...just too su****ious, I guess

[Sir_Jose]

There's no question that Mitchell won in my mind, but Phillips came on strong in the second half of that fight, for you to insinuate that he was 'run over' would imply that he was never at any point 'in the fight'. Your view on things is far from gospel son, so dont push it as such.



You negated to define the word 'champion'. In my eyes anyone who holds a recognised belt has earnt the right to be called a champion. I know you didn't say that Urkal was a champion, but since you felt the need to point out that Oliveira and Phillips weren't I felt the need to point out that Urkal wasn't either.




The people being the revenue generators for the sport. I'd say the following fighters would be in their top 5:

Arturo Gatti
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton

Mitchell could probably put on a good show too, but he figures just outside of those 5 due to his loss to Kostya and the fashion in which it came.

Harris SHOULD be in that list given his credentials, but he isn't. He'd get the short end of any purse put forwatd by any of those fighters, and rightly so given his relative anonymity.




It would garner him credibility from the hardcore fans, it would do absolutely nothing for his career though. As I've already pointed out, this division is littered with 'names' and names sell tickets, Harris has no name to speak of outside of Germany.

Did I ever say that the WBU meant anything? NO, I couldn't care about the status of his belt, because I dont think belts define a fighter. Which is why i offhandishly called Phillips and Oliveira ex-champs, they held belts but were bigger than those titles.

Let's get one thing straight, I would LOVE Ricky to fight Harris, because I can appreciate his status outside of revenue and popularity, what I'm saying is that the only reason Harris has piped up now is because he needs Hatton more than Hatton needs Harris.



I've already conceded that Hurtado was a good win, Harris IS a credible opponent, what he lacks is notoriety. Hopkins and Winky ARE a draw, They're both multi-million dollar generators per fight. The fact that they weren't big earners pre-victory over Tito and Mosely has no bearing on Harris as he has yet to defeat a genuine NAMED fighter as they did.

Vitali?? what the **** are you talking about Pedro? Vitali is considered THE #1 heavy worldwide, is regularly on Pay-per-view and is recognised by even the most fringe of casual boxing fans.



Then why would Showtime stump up millions of dollars to secure the tv rights to a potential clash between Hatton and Tszyu?

Equally, Hatton vs Cotto, Mayweather, Gatti or Mitchell are all Pay-per-view televised fights in the US.

Whether he goes there or remains here to engage in those fights is a matter of promotional factoring.

Nobody gives a damn about england? Then why is one of your primetime TV stations willing to pay through the teeth to attain rights to an english fighter's bouts?

By the way, I'm far from a 'Hatton Nuthugger'. I'd favour Cotto, Mayweather AND Tszyu over Ricky. I think Harris, Gatti and Mitchell all lose by decision though.

My god. Could you know less about boxing?

Please stop trying to justify Phillips as an opponent. NO he did not "come on strong" at any point of that fight. I guess next your gonna tell me how Mike Stewart and Ben Tackie both "Came on strong" in there fights against Mitchell to justify them being Hatton victims too huh.

Wow didn't know I had to define the term "Champion". I could understand how that would be hard for you. I never said anything about Tackie and Olivera being world champion YOU said "If we're comparing the sum total of an opponent that your fighter has beaten you cannot really compare Urkal with those ex-champs." implying that Tackie and Olivera were ex-champions

Saying beating Harris would give him credability, but in the very next sentance saying it would do nothing for his career. Are you kidding me?


actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

Wow Hopkins and Wright are big draws...thats news to everyone. No one outside of Boxing fans knows who either are. Hopkins had a fight right after Tito in PA and couldn't even sell it out.

Oh wow a racist remark that didn't take long did it people.

Vitali is a big draw? Vitali is "regularly on Pay-per-view"? Im sorry would you like to tell me how many times Vitali has actually fought on PPV? While your at it please tell me how much money HBO lost on that PPV because of the pathetic buy numbers. Oh but thats right he's a big time draw. Oh wait dont forget tell me how many people bought tickets to it also...cause you know, he's such a big draw.


Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV.

Hell Tszyu/Mitchell 1 and 2 wasn't even a PPV here and you think Hatton a fighter who no one outside of hardcore boxing fans know is gonna be a PPV.

Yeah that same prime time staion has also refused to show Ricky Hatton fights untill he steps up. Hatton went from having all his fights telavised on Showtime and now he's nowhere to be found because he's pissed off the network. Do you know why? becuase Ricky Hatton vs TBA does not generate rating in America.

[HayeFan]

My god. Could you know less about boxing?

Please stop trying to justify Phillips as an opponent. NO he did not "come on strong" at any point of that fight. I guess next your gonna tell me how Mike Stewart and Ben Tackie both "Came on strong" in there fights against Mitchell to justify them being Hatton victims too huh.

Phillips was a perfectly legitimate opponent considering Hatton's track record up until that point. He DID come on strong against Mitchell or ... wait, maybe I'm mistaken and I'm living in the 'world according to Jose', I simply hallucinated the second half of that fight? Do not put words in my mouth.

Wow didn't know I had to define the term "Champion". I could understand how that would be hard for you. I never said anything about Tackie and Olivera being world champion YOU said "If we're comparing the sum total of an opponent that your fighter has beaten you cannot really compare Urkal with those ex-champs." implying that Tackie and Olivera were ex-champions

Once again stop putting words in my mouth, I never once said world champions, i said ex-champs.

Does this ring any bells?:

"Ex Champs" last I checked Ben Tackie and Ray Olivera were never champions

Hence my need for you to define the word 'champion'.

Saying beating Harris would give him credability, but in the very next sentance saying it would do nothing for his career. Are you kidding me?

What i said was, a win over Harris would garner credibility amongst the hardcore boxing fan bases, The casual fan who makes up the actual revenue for fights knows nothing about Harris, therefore beating him would do very little to raise his profile amongst that audience. In turn it would do very little to boost the demand for bigger fights.

actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

I take it that sarcasm is above your station? The reference to hanging it over his mantlepiece was a remark intended to reflect my disdain towards belts in general i.e. all it would be good for is decoration.

Wow Hopkins and Wright are big draws...thats news to everyone. No one outside of Boxing fans knows who either are. Hopkins had a fight right after Tito in PA and couldn't even sell it out.

Hopkins fought Carl Daniels post Tito and 4 wins later had beaten Oscar De La Hoya, THE biggest draw fighter in boxing outside of the heavyweight division. Now maybe Hopkins isn't a name that everyone in the world recognises, but that is more of a reflection on the popularity of the sport as opposed to Hopkins fame within it. Relatively speaking Hopkins has become one of the biggest names in the sport. Winky isn't quite as well known but you certainly cant compare Harris's obscurity to that of Winky Wright, who recently turned down $4 million to fight Tito.

Oh wow a racist remark that didn't take long did it people.

You've got me there. I apologise. Even the dumbest of people dont deserve such ignorance.

Vitali is a big draw? Vitali is "regularly on Pay-per-view"? Im sorry would you like to tell me how many times Vitali has actually fought on PPV? While your at it please tell me how much money HBO lost on that PPV because of the pathetic buy numbers. Oh but thats right he's a big time draw. Oh wait dont forget tell me how many people bought tickets to it also...cause you know, he's such a big draw.

HBO drew its highest audience figures for a heavyweight fight in over six years from Lewis/Klit. 3 of Vitali's last 4 fights were broadcast on HBO Pay-per-view. Your comparison of Vitali K to Harris in terms of notoriety is beyond dumb, it's ludicrous. The mere fact that VK has headlined a PPV card puts him on a completely different plane to Harris. Your attempt to use poor buy figures as an argument is paper thin as that has a higher implication moreso on the sport's mainstream demise as opposed to a fighter's popularity. Vitali isn't a great fighter but he's the best that we've got at the moment in the most popular division meaning that he's a KNOWN fighter.

Dont be so foolish.

Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV.

Hell Tszyu/Mitchell 1 and 2 wasn't even a PPV here and you think Hatton a fighter who no one outside of hardcore boxing fans know is gonna be a PPV.

You're not hearing me, I could easily imagine any of those fights on PPV. The fact that they wouldn't receive top billing is completely irrelevant as there isn't a fighter in the division capable of singlehandedly supporting a PPV card. My point was that those fighters' popularity would warrant the huge payroll required to match make between 2 of them on the undercard of a PPV.

If Harris were to meet any of those fighters it would be a draw to hardcore fans alone. The headline event would inevitably have to burden the weight of attraction. In order for Harris to appear on a PPV card he'd have to fight someone in the same situation as himself, unknown and willing to accept a 'reasonable' figure to fight him (regardless of their credentials.) for example m'baye, who met that criteria and fought Harris with third billing on the Mayorga/Forrest PPV.

You shouldn't expect popular fighters to accept low purses when they can generate far higher incomes from fighting guys of equal economic stature. It just doesn't happen. Even Cotto backed out of his fight with Harris.

Financially, Harris is a dud. For whatever reasons, he's failed to set the fans' imaginations alight. Dont get pis*ed off with Hatton because Harris doesn't pose an attractive proposition, get pis*ed off with your country for not fully appreciating one of it's champions.

[elveiel]

actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

The WBU did mean something when he won it, its a nice belt to win on your way up, the only problem is he should have upgraded to a real world title about two years ago.

He's won british title, central area title, WBO&WBA intercontinental titles, Boxing Writer young fighter of the year, world junior Bronze medallist, ABA champ.

I Know you dont give a **** about the UK but these belts are what our fighters want and should win before they can progress, they dont mean **** on the world stage but there still on his mantlepiece.

Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV
.

They may not make American ppv because i dont have a clue who does, but they would make UK ppv. Maybe not Mitchell because most UK fans watched him against Stewart.

[theironone]

come on lee the wbu has always been worthless, the brit. common and euro are much more respected here, imo anyway, i'd rather he was in quality international 10 rounders for no belt against the opponants than 12 round wbu bollocks, maybe that way once people generally agree he's a higher level than euro champ then he could of got a legit shot quicker or at least fought more top ten names in elimination matches (interim would maybe be slightly acceptable ala mitchells situation)