Harris offers to step in!

[HayeFan]

No one is putting words in your mouth jr. When you use a term like "Ex-Champ" people just asume you mean a World Champion not some **** bag of an orginization the the IBA or WBU. Those belt donrt make you "Champion"

No doubt. I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will). The fact that you've latched onto a minor quibble pretty much sums up your argument thus far - avoiding major 'related' issues, whilst concentrating on the minor details.

You keep bringing up the casual fan as if people here even know who the **** Ricky Hatton is. As if casual boxing fans in America are gonna tune in to see a Ricky Hatton fight once they hear his name is on the bill.

Hatton has more pull with HBO than Harris, true or false Jose? Oh, and before I hear some bull**** Hal-Jose-nation, the answer is yes, Hatton would be a preferable slot any day of the week, just look at the figures.

What does Bernard Hopkins fight DLH have to do with his drawing power?...Oh thats right not a damn thing.

Jose, Jose, Jose ... we aren't thinking before we're typing. Although this is getting way off track from the original argument, it's an issue that you've raised and it's an issue that you're floundering with. Oscar De La Hoya was the sport's golden goose, are you telling me that Hopkins' profile wasn't raised through that victory??

This is another example of your perfectly circular little ****ing thought process. Of course his profile was raised. It matters not that it was a complete mismatch in the eyes of those in the know, it still hoisted Hopkins further into the mainstream light. To deny that is idiocy, sheer and true.

please dont bother you've already shown me what kind of person you are and thats someone who would stoop as low as rascism the second there losing a debate.

Losing the debate? LOL ... buddy, you've sidestepped and ignored almost everything I've been saying in order to nitpick. Your tunnel vision and apparent lack of any rudimentary intelligence dictated the tone of conversation that I adopted. I should't have called you Pedro though, it's not your ethnicity that's at fault, it's your ability to reason and comprehend. I should have used something like 'Dufus' or '******', my bad.

3 of Vitali's last 4 fights on PPV you say? well thats news to me and anyone else who has HBO and the entire boxing world. He has had 1 fight on PPV and the rest have been on HBO Championship Boxing. Flex the boxing knowledge a little more killer.

Yes, yes ... you're right, I checked (as we dont get HBO in the UK) only 1 of his last 4 fights was actually HBO PPV, you're right, Harris IS a bigger draw than Vitali Klitschko!! pffff! This is what I'm talking about when I say that you nitpick around issues. The argument that you were trying to make was that Klitschko wasn't a draw (in relation to Harris), which is ridiculous, which you already know.

I may be misinformed about details, you on the other hand are straight up deluded.

Mayorga vs Forrest2 wasn't even a PPV kid. Jesus Christ do you think every fight shown in the states is a PPV?

Again, details. If you look at the argument at hand, that Harris isn't a big enough draw for Hatton, then you've just aided my argument, I'd mistakenly credited Harris with an appearance on a PPV card. As you've just pointed out, he got (third) billing on a non-PPV card. Wow, he couldn't even headline a televised bout on regular HBO. The boy's on fire!

The most popular fighter you guys have had you had in the past 10 years Naseem Hamed knew he had to come to America even if he could draw massive crowds by staying home. Do you know why he did that? becuase he along with everyone else in the sporting world knows if you can make it here than the money you will make will be 10x that of the money you are making now.

You're absolutely correct. What you fail to mention however is that the fighters' that Naz travelled Stateside to fight were popular fighters within the States, Harris isn't (How many times am I going to have to reiterate that point before you comprehend it's meaning???).

It's inevitable that Hatton will eventually have to fight Stateside. You aren't enlightening me as to the way that the ****ing game works here. Harris doesn't have the luxury of commanding that option though as he doesn't have any pull Stateside, whereas Ricky has immense pull in the UK, enough so to sell out an entire arena. Why would Hatton knowingly offer up an advantage to Harris at personal financial expense to himself? Hatton calls the shots, which is the jist of this entire argument. The fact that Harris holds a belt is subsidiary to his economic status.

Now if we're talking about Cotto, Mayweather or Gatti then it's a different story. In those scenarios, Hatton may well find himself in the position of having to travel to make those fights happen. If he doesn't have to travel and those fights can still be made and televised by a US channel then that's fine by me, but Hatton wont have that option as those fighters are greater attractions Stateside than he is, once again though, Harris isn't.

Hatton is content to be a big fish in a small pond and his fans are foolish for buying it.

Yeah, shooting for a Tszyu fight was a cowardly, insular move ... right? I mean, after all, Tszyu isn't what he once was, Mitchell was shot right? He's over the hill ... right? past his prime like Phillips, Tackie et al ... right Jose?

Of course in the United States of Jose, Vivian Harris would have been the braver option.

Do I give a **** about how you perceive Hatton? No. All that I personally care about is that Hatton starts fighting the best. This argument hasn't been about my own personal designs on his path or whether Harris deserves a shot at Hatton or vice versa, it's been about whether or not Hatton should fight Harris as opposed to taking on Tszyu and the other known fighters. What you've consistently failed to admit to is that Harris isn't a necessity on Hatton's path to glory or downfall. Harris is a fighter in obscurity looking for a breakthrough fight from which to launch his career on a 'profitable' path.

If Hatton fights any of the upper echelon light-welters home OR away and wins, he WILL become a bigger attraction Stateside, he WILL be propelled into bigger fights on the back of those wins (if they come), whether he fights Harris or not.

Hatton at 26 is coming into his prime, and 2005 will be the year he either silences his critics or falls from grace, one way or the other, you WILL see him in there with a live opponent. If June/July rolls around and Hatton has yet to face one of the top guns then your big fish/little pond analogy hits paydirt.

After this merry little jaunt around your obtuse little mind, I'd now actually prefer to see a fight with Harris materialise instead of Tszyu.

Let's hear a prediction Jose, Harris/Hatton? (or shouldn't i even bother to ask).

[neostars]

If the Tszyu fight has really fallen through, then it'll probably either be Harris or Cotto.

Think about what you're saying, if Hatton was being overly protected then why the **** would he be going after the Tszyu fight like a dog after a bone, considering he's the toughest nut to crack outta the light welters.

If anything Tszyu doesn't want to fight Hatton because he doesn't want to end up like Jones, undermotivated to the point of apathy and subsequently defeat.

Harris may prove awkward, but he's not the underrated dark horse he's been made out to be. He's a very ordinary fighter with little or no flair as an attraction. This boy's gonna cry wolf until he gets his ass burnt for a tidy little cheque by either Cotto or Hatton.

dude, u are such a deluded fan.
Warren neva would put Hatton in the ring with Tszyu.
All that bull**** about wanting to fight Tszyu is all publicity.

[Sir_Jose]

No doubt. I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will). The fact that you've latched onto a minor quibble pretty much sums up your argument thus far - avoiding major 'related' issues, whilst concentrating on the minor details.




Hatton has more pull with HBO than Harris, true or false Jose? Oh, and before I hear some bull**** Hal-Jose-nation, the answer is yes, Hatton would be a preferable slot any day of the week, just look at the figures.



Jose, Jose, Jose ... we aren't thinking before we're typing. Although this is getting way off track from the original argument, it's an issue that you've raised and it's an issue that you're floundering with. Oscar De La Hoya was the sport's golden goose, are you telling me that Hopkins' profile wasn't raised through that victory??

This is another example of your perfectly circular little ****ing thought process. Of course his profile was raised. It matters not that it was a complete mismatch in the eyes of those in the know, it still hoisted Hopkins further into the mainstream light. To deny that is idiocy, sheer and true.



Losing the debate? LOL ... buddy, you've sidestepped and ignored almost everything I've been saying in order to nitpick. Your tunnel vision and apparent lack of any rudimentary intelligence dictated the tone of conversation that I adopted. I should't have called you Pedro though, it's not your ethnicity that's at fault, it's your ability to reason and comprehend. I should have used something like 'Dufus' or '******', my bad.



Yes, yes ... you're right, I checked (as we dont get HBO in the UK) only 1 of his last 4 fights was actually HBO PPV, you're right, Harris IS a bigger draw than Vitali Klitschko!! pffff! This is what I'm talking about when I say that you nitpick around issues. The argument that you were trying to make was that Klitschko wasn't a draw (in relation to Harris), which is ridiculous, which you already know.

I may be misinformed about details, you on the other hand are straight up deluded.



Again, details. If you look at the argument at hand, that Harris isn't a big enough draw for Hatton, then you've just aided my argument, I'd mistakenly credited Harris with an appearance on a PPV card. As you've just pointed out, he got (third) billing on a non-PPV card. Wow, he couldn't even headline a televised bout on regular HBO. The boy's on fire!



You're absolutely correct. What you fail to mention however is that the fighters' that Naz travelled Stateside to fight were popular fighters within the States, Harris isn't (How many times am I going to have to reiterate that point before you comprehend it's meaning???).

It's inevitable that Hatton will eventually have to fight Stateside. You aren't enlightening me as to the way that the ****ing game works here. Harris doesn't have the luxury of commanding that option though as he doesn't have any pull Stateside, whereas Ricky has immense pull in the UK, enough so to sell out an entire arena. Why would Hatton knowingly offer up an advantage to Harris at personal financial expense to himself? Hatton calls the shots, which is the jist of this entire argument. The fact that Harris holds a belt is subsidiary to his economic status.

Now if we're talking about Cotto, Mayweather or Gatti then it's a different story. In those scenarios, Hatton may well find himself in the position of having to travel to make those fights happen. If he doesn't have to travel and those fights can still be made and televised by a US channel then that's fine by me, but Hatton wont have that option as those fighters are greater attractions Stateside than he is, once again though, Harris isn't.



Yeah, shooting for a Tszyu fight was a cowardly, insular move ... right? I mean, after all, Tszyu isn't what he once was, Mitchell was shot right? He's over the hill ... right? past his prime like Phillips, Tackie et al ... right Jose?

Of course in the United States of Jose, Vivian Harris would have been the braver option.

Do I give a **** about how you perceive Hatton? No. All that I personally care about is that Hatton starts fighting the best. This argument hasn't been about my own personal designs on his path or whether Harris deserves a shot at Hatton or vice versa, it's been about whether or not Hatton should fight Harris as opposed to taking on Tszyu and the other known fighters. What you've consistently failed to admit to is that Harris isn't a necessity on Hatton's path to glory or downfall. Harris is a fighter in obscurity looking for a breakthrough fight from which to launch his career on a 'profitable' path.

If Hatton fights any of the upper echelon light-welters home OR away and wins, he WILL become a bigger attraction Stateside, he WILL be propelled into bigger fights on the back of those wins (if they come), whether he fights Harris or not.

Hatton at 26 is coming into his prime, and 2005 will be the year he either silences his critics or falls from grace, one way or the other, you WILL see him in there with a live opponent. If June/July rolls around and Hatton has yet to face one of the top guns then your big fish/little pond analogy hits paydirt.

After this merry little jaunt around your obtuse little mind, I'd now actually prefer to see a fight with Harris materialise instead of Tszyu.

Let's hear a prediction Jose, Harris/Hatton? (or shouldn't i even bother to ask).

Somebody get this kid a straight jacket. Jesus Christ.

*ahem*

This is just too funny. I love how he refers to me pointing out all the times that he was wrong as "nit picking".


this is a good one
I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will).


Ahh yes uh...uh yes well uh instead of typing out the names of the two men I referend to them as "ex-champs" kinda like short hand. Even thought neither were champions I just thought I should..uh...uh refer to them as champions cause uh...uh...

Hatton has as much pull with HBO as I do considering they hate Frank Warren and even Showtime has pretty much refused to put him on anymore until he steps up. Neitherone of them has any pull with that network.

Is Bernard Hopkins a big draw in the boxing world?...The answer would be NO. To say he is just shows how little you know about the sport.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Harris was a bigger draw than Vitali. This is what its come to kid? just resorting to making stuff up out of the blue?

Are you telling me Vitali is a big draw? cause you know I have ticket sales and PPV buys that say otherwise here.

in my best "Hayfan"
Vitali is a big draw he's headlined tons on PPV fights 3 of his last 4 have been on PPV

Jose: No he's only headlined 1 PPV and the numbers show it was one of the biggest failures in boxing history

Hayfan: Stop Nit picking waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa

Im sorry just where do you think a Ricky Hatton fight would apear on a card that featured Forrest/Mayorga2 and Judah vs Corley?...Oh thats right 3rd.

Naz coming here to fight guys popular in the States you say? you mean like Augie Sanchez? I mean cause he was a household name or maybe you were talking about the wildy popular Cesar Soto? I hear women actually trow panties at Cesar Soto when he's coming to the ring he's so widly popular, oh oh oh wait you must be talking about that mega star Wayne McCullough yeah thats it Wayne McCullough.


Funny I also dont remember saying Harris was popular here in the States...again just more shamelessy making stuff up*shakes head*

If by "shooting for a Tszyu fight" you mean making a laughable offer to an all time great World Champion and wanting the fight in Manchester. Then yes he's shooting for a Tszyu fight.

you just flat out dont get this do you? You either dont get it, dont want to get or have your head so far up Ricky Hatton's ass you get it, but a re just to stubborn to admit it.

WHO GIVES A **** IF HE CAN SELL OUT AN ARENA. You know what that makes him? Eruopes answer to Joe Mesi thats what.

No my big fish/little pond analogy has already come true. Do you know why? because Hatton has been a pro for what 7 years and has almost 40 pro fights and has yet to do ANYTHING worth mentioning.

Look who he's fought recently for Christ sakes.

Joe Hutchinson was destroyed one year erlier by Teddy Reid

Vince Phillips was ancient and was beaten up by Mitchell in his fight before Hatton

Ben Tackie was coming off back to back losses

Carlos Vilches had just lost to Mitchell

Mike Stewart was beaten to death by Mitchell right before Hatton fought him

Ray Olivera hadn't even fought at 140 since like 2001. He was also coming off an ass whoopin at the hands of thew very ordinary Elio Ortiz

These are all his most recent fights!?!?! Are you noticing a pattern? each one of them all took a sever ass whooping right before Hatton's people chose them as an opponent. What kind of fighter does that?

Who wins is not what this is about. but just to show you what I think. Its a toss up fight in my opinion. I think I would tip Harris late, but either man can win.

Why dont you tell Hatton to grow a pair of balls, stop fighting Sharmba leftover, Come up from under Frank Warren's skirt, Stop making empty offers, buy a ****ing plane ticket and fight someone with a PULSE when he does all that then you can get back to me.

Oh yeah tell his pasty ass to get some sun too he hurts my eyes.

[elveiel]

dude, u are such a deluded fan.
Warren neva would put Hatton in the ring with Tszyu.
All that bull**** about wanting to fight Tszyu is all publicity.

R u joking? Deluded fan, WTF!?!?

The guys just stating his opinion and the post has valid points.

If Hayefan is deluded then so are you, Warren made his plans clear, we know for a fact he spoken with Tszyu's promoter because they both confirm it, we know the Tsyzu camp is aware of the possible fight and we know showtime have given the go ahead!! So Hayefan has got a good foundation for his opinion but your assuming that Warren is a liar, why do you think he's pulling a stunt?

[elveiel]

Jose vs Hayefan should be PPV

[Sir_Jose]

Im pretty much done with this thread now. He's just a fanboy.

[elveiel]

Im pretty much done with this thread now. He's just a fanboy.

You rise to it Jose, i bet you'll be back when he writes another post!!

your many things but not a quitter!!

[Sir_Jose]

You rise to it Jose, i bet you'll be back when he writes another post!!

your many things but not a quitter!!

The only people who think his points are valid are other Hatton nuthuggers. The guy has just resorted to making **** up now.

[elveiel]

The only people who think his points are valid are other Hatton nuthuggers. The guy has just resorted to making **** up now.

I must be a Hatton nuthugger, maybe i'm a Harris nuthugger too because i think your points are valid too, except the this euro **** your writing, arent you French or is Tino taking the piss.

[Sir_Jose]

I must be a Hatton nuthugger, maybe i'm a Harris nuthugger too because i think your points are valid too, except the this euro **** your writing, arent you French or is Tino taking the piss.

I dont know what "Taking the piss" means, but no...no im not French.